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Old 12-07-2017, 01:14 PM
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The article talks about 2015 when Robert Dear went on his rampage in Colorado. The 3 murders and 9 attempted murders seem to all be related to that event. He was found incompetent to stand trial. I found some pro abortion information/stats on the link below that goes back to Erik Rudolf. Anyway, by their own stats, it seems the spike happened in 2015. I see that there are a number of "arson" entries that happened over the years marked "open". The abortion industry has its own interests to protect and utilizes prominent PR firms.



https://prochoice.org/education-and-...s-and-history/
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:06 PM
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Some on the pro-choice side try to paint the anti-abortion side as being misogynists who want to restrict choice from women that make them less dependent on men.
Some on the anti-abortion side try to paint pro-choice as murder happy / money greedy.
It would be something if both sides recognized that for me, anti-abortion means anti-abortion for no damned reason at all other than convenience of the woman.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:12 PM
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Or with guns, the gun rights people refuse to acknowledge the amount of murder and mayhem they are responsible for...
Example or not, I find it pretty damned stupid for people to even consider that pro-gun people make murder and mayhem easier.

Now, back to the topic of murdering unborn people.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:17 PM
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You do know what was going on prior to abortion being legal, right? Why would you think it would be any different now, if suddenly it became illegal again?
Yes, I know what was going on. How does legal abortion override illegal abortion and make the woman getting one, innocent of murdering a human being?

Let's just say, I am against murder of the unborn solely because the pregnant ass hole and the male contributing ass hole feel awful about having a baby.
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:15 PM
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Yes, I know what was going on. How does legal abortion override illegal abortion and make the woman getting one, innocent of murdering a human being?

Let's just say, I am against murder of the unborn solely because the pregnant ass hole and the male contributing ass hole feel awful about having a baby.
The problem with the abortion issue and the reason there can never be a compromise is that calling an abortion murder is merely one side's opinion, while the other side has a different opinion, that it is not murder and that the choice of whether or not to continue with a pregnancy should solely be made by the woman whose body the fetus is in.

You call it murder; others call it choice, and believe that people should mind their own business. If you are against abortion, don't have one. Belief that a woman should be forced to continue with an unwanted pregnancy denies that woman sovereignty over her own body and relegates her to second-class citizenship behind the fetus.

Those who oppose a woman's right to determine her own reproductive choices obviously hold the fetus as being more valuable than the woman's life, since, as has been pointed out, desperate women will place themselves in danger by choosing unsafe and possibly septic abortion practices if it is once again made illegal. This is misogyny.
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Belief that a woman should be forced to continue with an unwanted pregnancy denies that woman sovereignty over her own body and relegates her to second-class citizenship behind the fetus.

Just a reminder that men and women do not have sovereignty over their own body. If you believe otherwise, tell the airport goon squad you don't want them touching you.


As for the rest of your post, you can sing until the snakes slither back home. Abortion is murder. Legal or illegal. Period.
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You call it murder; others call it choice, and believe that people should mind their own business.
I'm sure every murderer in history would love it if people stopped calling it murder and minded their own business. Use whatever term you would like, the fact remains that every abortion kills a human simply because that human exists and somebody else doesn't want him to.

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If you are against abortion, don't have one.
This statement would be hilariously silly if the topic wasn't so serious.
How about we word it a little different: If you don't like killing humans, don't kill them.
Jebus, how twisted up morally does someone have to be to be OK with that?

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Belief that a woman should be forced to continue with an unwanted pregnancy denies that woman sovereignty over her own body and relegates her to second-class citizenship behind the fetus.
Unless the aforementioned woman was raped, she made plenty of sovereign decisions prior to being pregnant. Allowing abortion is giving one human sovereignty over another humans life.

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Those who oppose a woman's right to determine her own reproductive choices obviously hold the fetus as being more valuable than the woman's life...
Wrong, once a woman is pregnant the "reproductive choices" are all made, the reproduction has happened. The only choice at that point is does the other human get to keep living.
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their own business. If you are against abortion, don't have one.
If you're against slavery, don't own one.
If you're against global warming, don't own an automobile.
If you're against homophobes, just don't be a homophobe.
If you're against taxes, don't use public roads.

Gee, good thing no reasonable person actually thinks the only way one can ever approach an issue is by not engaging in it personally, having no opinions as to how the issue affects society.
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Example or not, I find it pretty damned stupid for people to even consider that pro-gun people make murder and mayhem easier.
This should be a no-brainer.
For example, this anecdotal evidence:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/not-ju...-knife-attacks

Knife attack - 23 wounded / none killed.
Gun attack - 20 killed.
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This should be a no-brainer.
For example, this anecdotal evidence:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/not-ju...-knife-attacks

Knife attack - 23 wounded / none killed.
Gun attack - 20 killed.
D-OH! Oh yes. I forgot that my two air pistols have a lot to do with the number of psychos going around killing innocent people.
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