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The Utah nurse whose arrest for refusing to draw blood from an unconscious patient drew nationwide criticism said Friday that what hurt most wasn't being manhandled by a detective — it was that none of the other officers watching the struggle tried to intervene.

"I was being bullied and nobody was willing to speak up for me," Alex Wubbels told NBC News. "That is one of the main points of this whole issue."

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But neither Detective Jeff Payne, the officer who arrested her, nor his supervisor have apologized for what Wubbels called the "disgrace they put upon themselves."

She was not charged with a crime. Asked whether she believes Payne should be disciplined, the nurse said "that's not for me to make that choice."

"I do think a lot of police act appropriately and are out there to help us," she said.

The city announced Friday that the Unified Police Department is conducting an independent investigation into whether any criminal acts occurred. Payne has been placed on paid administrative leave, officials said. The city's mayor called the incident "unacceptable."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...police-n798021

She was arrested for refusing to violate the patient's civil rights.


https://lawnewz.com/legal-analysis/w...e-unconscious/
Recall that Detective Payne did not have a warrant and could not get a warrant because there was–admittedly–no probable cause. Probable cause is a necessary component for a valid search and seizure warrant. And a search and seizure warrant is a constitutional requirement for the court room admissibility of blood removed from someone without their consent. In other words, cops cannot draw blood without a warrant and there was no warrant here.

This is the major holding in Birchfield v. North Dakota.
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She was arrested for refusing to violate the patient's civil rights.


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Recall that Detective Payne did not have a warrant and could not get a warrant because there wasĖadmittedlyĖno probable cause. Probable cause is a necessary component for a valid search and seizure warrant. And a search and seizure warrant is a constitutional requirement for the court room admissibility of blood removed from someone without their consent. In other words, cops cannot draw blood without a warrant and there was no warrant here.

This is the major holding in Birchfield v. North Dakota.
I believe this happen a little while back, and the officer who arrested her was suspended I believe. If I recall also, the patient in question was also an officer..... Could be wrong, it's been a while since I read it.
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I believe this happen a little while back, and the officer who arrested her was suspended I believe. If I recall also, the patient in question was also an officer..... Could be wrong, it's been a while since I read it.
Suspended with pay. Free vacation.

The patient I believe just died.

From what I see, this cop should be burned badly. Actually both cops as he apparently got he got the go ahead from his supervisor.
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what a putz
kudos to the tenacious nurse
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kudos to the tenacious nurse
Who was refusing to violate HIPAA.
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Who was refusing to violate HIPAA.
From what I've seen and heard from the several nurses I know, not one of them would have given in to the cop.
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She did exactly the right thing.
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From what I've seen and heard from the several nurses I know, not one of them would have given in to the cop.
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Cop who forcibly arrested nurse for refusing to draw blood is fired

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Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department.
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Payneís supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was also demoted to officer.
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The patient wasnít suspected of wrongdoing. He was an off-duty reserve Idaho police officer driving a semitrailer when he was hit by a man fleeing police in a pickup truck.
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Payne nevertheless insisted, saying the evidence would protect the man. Payne told Wubbels his supervisor said he should arrest her if she didnít allow the blood draw. Tracy arrived on scene after the arrest and forcefully told a handcuffed Wubbels that she should have allowed the blood draw. She was later released without charge.
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Both officers came under investigation and were placed on paid administrative leave after the video became public. Salt Lake City police also apologized and changed their policies in line with Wubbelsí position.
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Payne was also fired from a part-time job as a paramedic after he was caught on camera saying heíd take transient patients to the University of Utah hospital where Wubbels worked and take the ďgood patientsĒ elsewhere as retribution.
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Only in a police state is the job of a policeman easy.
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