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I did not vote for President-Elect Donald Trump and continue to question his fitness to serve. Thus I am unsurprised that hundreds of thousands of women would want to protest his election this coming Saturday, the day after the inauguration. I am surprised, however, that the leaders of the Women's March on Washington—and most feminists today—are so unwilling to listen to an alternative feminist perspective, one with deep roots in feminist history and a good deal to offer to women today.....

..... With both Trump's inauguration and the 44th anniversary of Roe v Wade decision fast approaching, I have been concerned that Donald Trump the man—as president of the United States—would actually strengthen in the American imagination the popular feminist fallacy that abortion is necessary to women's equality. After all, Donald Trump as "pro-life candidate" fit perfectly the pro-choice caricature of an abortion opponent: degrading to and disrespectful of women. If I could say just one thing to those at the Women's March, it would be this: the constitutional right to abortion has only made men like Trump worse.
Contraception fails. It just does. But constitutionalizing the right to abortion as Roe did in January 1973 hasn't relieved women of the consequences of sex or the vulnerabilities of pregnancy. Rather it has detached men even further from sex's procreative potential and, for the poor in particular, increased the vulnerability of both women and children. That is, easy abortion empowers the male illusion that sex can finally be completely consequence-free. For men, anyway. The ascendancy of abortion rights feminism over the last fifty years has failed to remedy the sort of objectification of women on particular display by our president-elect in the unearthed Access Hollywood video and beyond.
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I have yet to understand what is it about killing your unborn that is somehow,,, FEMMININE?"
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I didn't know anyone was banned. Someone is playing the right wing victim card again
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i did not vote for president-elect donald trump and continue to question his fitness to serve. Thus i am unsurprised that hundreds of thousands of women would want to protest his election this coming saturday, the day after the inauguration. I am surprised, however, that the leaders of the women's march on washington—and most feminists today—are so unwilling to listen to an alternative feminist perspective, one with deep roots in feminist history and a good deal to offer to women today.....

..... With both trump's inauguration and the 44th anniversary of roe v wade decision fast approaching, i have been concerned that donald trump the man—as president of the united states—would actually strengthen in the american imagination the popular feminist fallacy that abortion is necessary to women's equality. After all, donald trump as "pro-life candidate" fit perfectly the pro-choice caricature of an abortion opponent: Degrading to and disrespectful of women. If i could say just one thing to those at the women's march, it would be this: The constitutional right to abortion has only made men like trump worse.
Contraception fails. It just does. But constitutionalizing the right to abortion as roe did in january 1973 hasn't relieved women of the consequences of sex or the vulnerabilities of pregnancy. Rather it has detached men even further from sex's procreative potential and, for the poor in particular, increased the vulnerability of both women and children. That is, easy abortion empowers the male illusion that sex can finally be completely consequence-free. For men, anyway. The ascendancy of abortion rights feminism over the last fifty years has failed to remedy the sort of objectification of women on particular display by our president-elect in the unearthed access hollywood video and beyond.
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cnn? Cnn?

Fake news fake news!!!!
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I did not vote for President-Elect Donald Trump and continue to question his fitness to serve. Thus I am unsurprised that hundreds of thousands of women would want to protest his election this coming Saturday, the day after the inauguration. I am surprised, however, that the leaders of the Women's March on Washington—and most feminists today—are so unwilling to listen to an alternative feminist perspective, one with deep roots in feminist history and a good deal to offer to women today.....

..... With both Trump's inauguration and the 44th anniversary of Roe v Wade decision fast approaching, I have been concerned that Donald Trump the man—as president of the United States—would actually strengthen in the American imagination the popular feminist fallacy that abortion is necessary to women's equality. After all, Donald Trump as "pro-life candidate" fit perfectly the pro-choice caricature of an abortion opponent: degrading to and disrespectful of women. If I could say just one thing to those at the Women's March, it would be this: the constitutional right to abortion has only made men like Trump worse.
Contraception fails. It just does. But constitutionalizing the right to abortion as Roe did in January 1973 hasn't relieved women of the consequences of sex or the vulnerabilities of pregnancy. Rather it has detached men even further from sex's procreative potential and, for the poor in particular, increased the vulnerability of both women and children. That is, easy abortion empowers the male illusion that sex can finally be completely consequence-free. For men, anyway. The ascendancy of abortion rights feminism over the last fifty years has failed to remedy the sort of objectification of women on particular display by our president-elect in the unearthed Access Hollywood video and beyond.
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yeah my daughter told me about this. it wud be wrong to do that but i wonder if its true or just hype
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As pro-life feminists have long argued, the undisciplined testosterone-driven male libido, interested in no-strings-attached sex, benefits most from an abortion-permissive culture. And when male sexuality goes undisciplined, bereft of the deep emotional bonds once demanded by self-respecting women, sex is sought for pleasure alone.
that is from your article and it is total bull ****!
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that is from your article and it is total bull ****!
What about it do you consider bs?
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What about it do you consider bs?
Pretty much everting you say.
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As pro-life feminists have long argued, the undisciplined testosterone-driven male libido, interested in no-strings-attached sex, benefits most from an abortion-permissive culture. And when male sexuality goes undisciplined, bereft of the deep emotional bonds once demanded by self-respecting women, sex is sought for pleasure alone.
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that is from your article and it is total bull ****!
Sometimes right-wing arguments reveal more about them than they do that which they attempt to criticize.
It's such an absurd argument. A presumptive belief that men are "disciplined" by women saying no. Possibly because they fear getting pregnant.
It also presents a pretense that women who enjoy sex are not "self-respecting".

It speaks more to a pseudo-religious pretense of attempting to maintain control through flimsy proclamations of fear.
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Pretty much everting you say.
So you just want to use ad hominem rather than having a discussion. Well, ok.
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