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Anybody who believes those are the only two options on the table are deluding themselves...

Out of curiosity, do you know anything about these guys?
Or do you just see "right" and therefore you like them. Cuz details. They're confusing to you, eh?
It's easy to pretend there are many more other options when you live in a country that is not nearly as next door to terrorist countries or ISIS already actively carrying out terrorism in your country, as is happening to some of these European counties. But to address your strawman (sarcasm or not), I never said I "liked" people like Le Pen. Like it or not, people like him seem more willing to resist an encroaching ISIS and as the article shows they are getting support, people are coming around to the importance of survival. Maybe you should ask yourself why the left isn't as willing to do that.
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It's easy to pretend there are many more other options when you live in a country that is not nearly as next door to terrorist countries or ISIS already actively carrying out terrorism in your country, as is happening to some of these European counties.
Anybody who believes this is deluding themselves.


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But to address your strawman (sarcasm or not), I never said I "liked" people like Le Pen. Like it or not, people like him seem more willing to resist an encroaching ISIS and as the article shows they are getting support, people are coming around to the importance of survival. Maybe you should ask yourself why the left isn't as willing to do that.
So I guess all the military operations against ISIS during Obama years are just figments of the imagination?

The birth of ISIS is owed to George W Bush destabilizing the region by taking out Saddam who had no WMDs.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/int...rogated-h.html
That occurred due to the false claims of "the right".

But tell me this.
Your whole b.s. rant. Do you think France will somehow eliminate ISIS with National Front?
Can you point to how ISIS has gained power in France because National Front was not in charge?

Or is your whole presentation one idiotic hyperbole that some people may be falling for...
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Your whole b.s. rant. Do you think France will somehow eliminate ISIS with National Front?
Can you point to how ISIS has gained power in France because National Front was not in charge?

Or is your whole presentation one idiotic hyperbole that some people may be falling for...
You really need to stick to the thread rather than your rabbit trails. The article is about the fact that groups who have traditionally gone left are increasingly voting far right. It is no coincidence that this is happening as ISIS makes inroads into Europe and Muslim immigration is getting out of hand there. Obviously more and more of the people in these groups are getting concerned about it, and naturally so. Whether or not the "National Front" eliminates ISIS isn't relevant; the point still stands. Hope that helps get you back on track.
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You really need to stick to the thread rather than your rabbit trails.
I'm responding to what you said.
You get some points in recognizing how absurd it was and backtracking from it, but you lose points in trying to blame me for responding to your claim.


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The article is about the fact that groups who have traditionally gone left are increasingly voting far right.
"increasingly".
Gotta love that phrase. It can mean a group going from 1% to 100%, or it can mean a group going from 1% to 1.01%.



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It is no coincidence that this is happening as ISIS makes inroads into Europe and Muslim immigration is getting out of hand there. Obviously more and more of the people in these groups are getting concerned about it, and naturally so. Whether or not the "National Front" eliminates ISIS isn't relevant; the point still stands. Hope that helps get you back on track.
So you don't even want to discuss what the party could do on the ISIS issue in the first place...
That's supposedly off track for you?
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Joe I complained about the article not showing up. And it really did not on several clicks. But now it shows up. And I'm reading it now thank you for posting I'll see what it says.
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I'm responding to what you said.
I guess if someone gives a response about cats in a thread about dogs, they could claim they are "responding" ...

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So you don't even want to discuss what the party could do on the ISIS issue in the first place...
That's supposedly off track for you?
We can discuss it, but it's certainly a different direction for the thead and no refutation or rebuttal to anything said so far.
So you want to discuss "what National Front could do to ISIS"?
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From the article:

“The parties are trying to present themselves as defenders of Western values, but it doesn’t fit their social profile as so many of their supporters are anti-gay or anti-woman.” As a Jewish Austrian, he can’t imagine ever voting for the FPO. “As a gay person, or a woman, I would not trust any of [these parties] either. I would think they could stab me in the back the next day,” he says.
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The policies of Hollande, Merkel, Cameron, etc. just weren't working. They have been moving in the direction of firmer border control and tightening of immigration to practically deal with Islamism in their societies. There's a ban on burqas and some problematic Mosques have been closed. The status quo political parties and their policies have proved impotent against Islamism which isn't sympathetic to gays or Jews.

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The policies of Hollande, Merkel, Cameron, etc. just weren't working. They have been moving in the direction of firmer border control and tightening of immigration to practically deal with Islamism in their societies. There's a ban on burqas and some problematic Mosques have been closed. The status quo political parties and their policies have proved impotent against Islamism which isn't sympathetic to gays or Jews.

I've been paying a lot of attention to the German Election since November, and noticed that the alt-right and Russia is now targeting Merkel with their fake news, now that Hillary is gone. The Good News is however, Germany doesn't have 30+ years of GOP anti-intellectualism to deal with like the US does.

And there is no way the AfD can win the Federal Election in September. This is how people would vote if the election were next Sunday:

CDU-CSU (Center-Right/Right): 37%
SPD (Center-Left): 21%
Greens (Enviromentalist): 10%
FDP (Liberalist): 6%
The Left (guess): 10%
AfD (Far Right-Populist): 12%
Others: 6%

No other party will seek a coalition with the AfD, so they somehow have to gain ~35%+ of the total vote. Everything looks like another 4 years of boring GroKo. Merkel is one tough babe, she can hold the wolves off for four years until we can kick the alt-right out of office over here.
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Why are Jews, gays, and other minorities in Europe increasingly voting far-right? - CSMonitor.com

Apparently they are finally starting to realize there actually are more important issues afoot than racism, gay pride, etc. You know--issues like, survival and making sure they don't all end up under sharia law?
Yeah, gays and Jews should totally vote far-right! Those guys love them!

Here's some quotes from the Far Right AfD party in Germany:


AfD member of the parliament: "We should throw gays into prison too like they do in muslim countries!"

AfD-Mann will Homosexuelle ins Gefngnis stecken - Politik - Sddeutsche.de


Afd member of the parliament: "Europe has always faced two enemys. Islam from the outside and talmudic ghetto rabbis from the inside. (He's too shy to say jews)


Antisemitische Thesen von AfD-Abgeordneten Gedeon


AfD party leader: "No German likes to live next to someone like him!" (Regarding Jerome Boateng, black soccer player)

AfD-Vize Gauland beleidigt Jerome Boateng


AfD member of the parliament: "We should throw gays into prison too like they do in muslim countries!"

When pressed on this comment, here was the very reasonable explanation from the AfD:


"No, no, you see, I have no beef with the homos. I just hate all of you, degenerate public-affection-dispalying scum."



Well why didn't you just say so! Crisis. Fuc*ing. Averted.


Right now most AfD voters are single issue voters and seem to want to drag the other parties closer to their position on immigration. Even a large part of their voters do not think the AfD is the most qualified party to govern. They feel comfortable voicing their opinion on immigration by voting for them because they are basically guaranteed to "only" end up in the opposition anyway.
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