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In 2013, Hemisphere was revealed by The New York Times and described only within a Powerpoint presentation made by the Drug Enforcement Administration. The Times described it as a “partnership” between AT&T and the U.S. government; the Justice Department said it was an essential, and prudently deployed, counter-narcotics tool.
However, AT&T’s own documentation—reported here by The Daily Beast for the first time—shows Hemisphere was used far beyond the war on drugs to include everything from investigations of homicide to Medicaid fraud.
Hemisphere isn’t a “partnership” but rather a product AT&T developed, marketed, and sold at a cost of millions of dollars per year to taxpayers. No warrant is required to make use of the company’s massive trove of data, according to AT&T documents, only a promise from law enforcement to not disclose Hemisphere if an investigation using it becomes public.
These new revelations come as the company seeks to acquire Time Warner in the face of vocal opposition saying the deal would be bad for consumers. Donald Trump told supporters over the weekend he would kill the acquisition if he’s elected president; Hillary Clinton has urged regulators to scrutinize the deal.
While telecommunications companies are legally obligated to hand over records, AT&T appears to have gone much further to make the enterprise profitable, according to ACLU technology policy analyst Christopher Soghoian.
“Companies have to give this data to law enforcement upon request, if they have it. AT&T doesn’t have to data-mine its database to help police come up with new numbers to investigate,” Soghoian said.
AT&T has a unique power to extract information from its metadata because it retains so much of it. The company owns more than three-quarters of U.S. landline switches, and the second largest share of the nation’s wireless infrastructure and cellphone towers, behind Verizon. AT&T retains its cell tower data going back to July 2008, longer than other providers. Verizon holds records for a year and Sprint for 18 months, according to a 2011 retention schedule obtained by The Daily Beast.
The disclosure of Hemisphere was not the first time AT&T has been caught working with law enforcement above and beyond what the law requires.
Special cooperation with the government to conduct surveillance dates back to at least 2003, when AT&T ordered technician Mark Klein to help the National Security Agency install a bug directly into its main San Francisco internet exchange point, Room 641A. The company invented a programming language to mine its own records for surveillance, and in 2007 came under fire for handing these mined records over to the FBI. That same year Hemisphere was born.
By 2013, it was deployed to three DEA High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA) Investigative Support Centers, according to the Times. Today, Hemisphere is used in at least 28 of these intelligence centers across the country, documents show. The centers are staffed by federal agents as well as local law enforcement; one center is the Los Angeles Regional Criminal Information Clearinghouse, where Merritt’s number was sent for analysis.
Analysis is done by AT&T employees on behalf of law enforcement clients through these intelligence centers, but performed at another location in the area. At no point does law enforcement directly access AT&T’s data.
A statement of work from 2014 shows how hush-hush AT&T wants to keep Hemisphere.

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“The Government agency agrees not to use the data as evidence in any judicial or administrative proceedings unless there is no other available and admissible probative evidence,” it says.
But those charged with a crime are entitled to know the evidence against them come trial. Adam Schwartz, staff attorney for activist group Electronic Frontier Foundation, said that means AT&T may leave investigators no choice but to construct a false investigative narrative to hide how they use Hemisphere if they plan to prosecute anyone.
Once AT&T provides a lead through Hemisphere, then investigators use routine police work, like getting a court order for a wiretap or following a suspect around, to provide the same evidence for the purpose of prosecution. This is known as “parallel construction.”
“This document here is striking,” Schwartz told The Daily Beast. “I’ve seen documents produced by the government regarding Hemisphere, but this is the first time I’ve seen an AT&T document which requires parallel construction in a service to government. It’s very troubling and not the way law enforcement should work in this country.”
The federal government reimburses municipalities for the expense of Hemisphere through the same grant program that is blamed for police militarization by paying for military gear like Bearcat vehicles.
“At a minimum there is a very serious question whether they should be doing it without a warrant. A benefit to the parallel construction is they never have to face that crucible. Then the judge, the defendant, the general public, the media, and elected officials never know that AT&T and police across America funded by the White House are using the world’s largest metadata database to surveil people,” Schwartz said.
The EFF, American Civil Liberties Union, and Electronic Privacy Information Center have all expressed concern that surveillance using Hemisphere is unconstitutionally invasive, and have sought more information on the program, with little success. The EFF is currently awaiting a judge’s ruling on its Freedom of Information Act suit against the Department of Justice for Hemisphere documentation.
AT&T Is Spying on Americans for Profit - The Daily Beast

I can appreciate programs like this when there is a warrant.
However, developing such programs and providing the customer data with absolutely no warrant...
... and on top of that explicitly working to ensure the existence / use of the program is kept secret?
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AT&T Spying Program Is ?Worse Than Snowden Revelations?

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A for-profit surveillance program carried out by telecommunications giant AT&T was more serious than the 2013 NSA spying revelations, according to digital rights advocates.

AT&T’s Project Atmosphere was unveiled Tuesday by the Daily Beast to be secretly selling customer data to law enforcement agencies for the purpose of investigating everything from murder to medical fraud.

Digital rights group Fight for the Future says that making customer data available to local police departments without a warrant goes beyond the government-level surveillance revealed by former NSA contract worker Edward Snowden.

“AT&T customers are outraged but this affects everyone,” Evan Greer, campaign director at Fight for the Future, tells Newsweek. “AT&T went far beyond complying with legal government requests and actually built a powerful data mining product to sell our private information to as many government agencies and police departments as they could.

The for-profit spying program that these documents detail is more terrifying than the illegal NSA surveillance programs that Edward Snowden exposed... If companies are allowed to operate in this manner without repercussions, our democracy has no future.

To gain access to the Hemisphere program, authorities pay anything between $100,000 and millions of dollars. Only an administrative subpoena is required to access it, which does not need to be obtained by a judge.

Greer and other advocates have called for AT&T to shut down the program and for the U.S. Department of Justice to launch an investigation into the use of the Hemisphere software.

In response to this week’s revelations, AT&T issued the following statement: “Like other communications companies, if a government agency seeks customer call records through a subpoena, court order or other mandatory legal process, we are required by law to provide this non-content information, such as the phone numbers and the date and time of calls.”
The really disgusting thing about AT&T's statement is that their own documents have shown THEY DO NOT REQUIRE A WARRANT for giving the government access to this.

From the article in post #1:
No warrant is required to make use of the company’s massive trove of data, according to AT&T documents, only a promise from law enforcement to not disclose Hemisphere if an investigation using it becomes public.
I would love to see either candidate address this.
My expectation is that neither will...
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What big government wants, big government gets. As our Federal government expands, so will it's control over all kinds of things. Isn't that what the left want's? Bigger Government? more powerful government?
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What big government wants, big government gets. As our Federal government expands, so will it's control over all kinds of things. Isn't that what the left want's? Bigger Government? more powerful government?
You're back to trying to tell others what they think, eh?

Perhaps you should realize you're not good at it...
A July Washington Post-ABC News poll — before the latest disclosures reported by The Post — found fully 70 percent of Democrats and 77 percent of Republicans said the NSA's phone and Internet surveillance program intrudes on some Americans' privacy rights. What's more, Democrats and Republicans who did see intrusions were about equally likely to say they were "not justified:" 51 and 52 percent respectively. Nearly six in 10 political independents who saw intrusions said they are unjustified.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ns-poll-finds/

No. What you describe is NOT what the left wants.
When it comes to the government invading our privacy and ignoring fourth amendment requirements, there is a bipartisan politician effort. You'll notice that Bernie Sanders was the only politician to truly tackle stuff like this and make promises regarding addressing it.
The ACLU has been trying to fight things like this.
But perhaps in your book that makes them a right-wing organization?
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You're back to trying to tell others what they think, eh?

Perhaps you should realize you're not good at it...
A July Washington Post-ABC News poll — before the latest disclosures reported by The Post — found fully 70 percent of Democrats and 77 percent of Republicans said the NSA's phone and Internet surveillance program intrudes on some Americans' privacy rights. What's more, Democrats and Republicans who did see intrusions were about equally likely to say they were "not justified:" 51 and 52 percent respectively. Nearly six in 10 political independents who saw intrusions said they are unjustified.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ns-poll-finds/

No. What you describe is NOT what the left wants.
When it comes to the government invading our privacy and ignoring fourth amendment requirements, there is a bipartisan politician effort. You'll notice that Bernie Sanders was the only politician to truly tackle stuff like this and make promises regarding addressing it.
The ACLU has been trying to fight things like this.
But perhaps in your book that makes them a right-wing organization?
Your confused again, My post did not say anything about the NSA. And I also didn't tell anyone what they think. But I did ask a question.
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Your confused again, My post did not say anything about the NSA. And I also didn't tell anyone what they think. But I did ask a question.
Perhaps you're confused. Not just on "your" vs "you're", but also on the fact that I responded with a question.
So to play your game, I also didn't assume what you were doing, eh?

And in addition, the NSA is just an example of the wider problem which both the right and the left should have bipartisan voter agreement. An elaboration to your comment on how the left feels about this issue.
That much should have been clear.

What bores me about your response is that this issue (governmental privacy violations) is one we actually have the right and the left voters agreeing on. But neither side can get any traction for fixing the problem because we're mired in meaningless partisan b.s. on other issues. Even though the problem is long-standing, neither elected official party is willing to do honor the will of the voters.
And the only politician who was interested in addressing the problem was Bernie, who is now long out of the picture. Even the "outsider" has shown no interest in addressing the problem.
But I guess some posters just want to post meaningless partisan snark...
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Perhaps you're confused. Not just on "your" vs "you're", but also on the fact that I responded with a question.
So to play your game, I also didn't assume what you were doing, eh?

And in addition, the NSA is just an example of the wider problem which both the right and the left should have bipartisan voter agreement. An elaboration to your comment on how the left feels about this issue.
That much should have been clear.

What bores me about your response is that this issue (governmental privacy violations) is one we actually have the right and the left voters agreeing on. But neither side can get any traction for fixing the problem because we're mired in meaningless partisan b.s. on other issues. Even though the problem is long-standing, neither elected official party is willing to do honor the will of the voters.
And the only politician who was interested in addressing the problem was Bernie, who is now long out of the picture. Even the "outsider" has shown no interest in addressing the problem.
But I guess some posters just want to post meaningless partisan snark...
The bigger and more powerful the government gets, the more they will be mired in meaningless partisan BS.

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The bigger and more powerful the government gets, the more they will be mired in meaningless partisan BS.
You'res Truly, Dogman
Can you stop spouting partisan political b.s. and think about it?

The voters are the ones who need to unite on this issue. The size of the government cannot intelligently be blamed for the failure of actions of the voters who are outside of the government.

On this issue, inside the government, there is no "meaningless partisan BS".
The politicians are fairly unilaterally complicit in creating these programs and utilizing them. On this issue, they are demonstrably BIpartisan in invading our privacy.
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The really disgusting thing about AT&T's statement is that their own documents have shown THEY DO NOT REQUIRE A WARRANT for giving the government access to this.

From the article in post #1:
No warrant is required to make use of the company’s massive trove of data, according to AT&T documents, only a promise from law enforcement to not disclose Hemisphere if an investigation using it becomes public.
I would love to see either candidate address this.
My expectation is that neither will...


Most of the services of AT&T are outsourced to foreign countries . They guys can even see our SN.
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Heck you will come to find that private data we are told is secure is being shared or sold to big corporations so they have more than enough information on each and every customer of AT&T.

As they can only gather so much by data mining. These programs have amassed so much on everyone we actually have very few secretes except in places like here at P.W.

And by far the worst of it is that they (each one) cannot secure from hackers this information on us.

So check your bank account each month even for a few pennies missing. As when a hacker has data on that many people they need a good program and only steal a few pennies from each amounting to millions a month.
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