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foundit66 07-16-2016 09:37 PM

Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in thei
 
Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple
because they don’t mention God in their vows

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A Kentucky county judge refused to officiate a couple’s wedding after they requested he respect their lack of religious beliefs, the Friendly Atheist reported.

Trigg County Judge/Executive Hollis Alexander confirmed that he turned away Mandy Heath and her fiancee when Heath went to file the necessary paperwork at the local courthouse on the day before their wedding.

“I will be unable to perform your wedding ceremony,” said Alexander, who also refuses to perform ceremonies for same-sex couples. “I include God in my ceremonies and I won’t do one without.”

However, Alexander’s objections have already been met with criticism from the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which has already contacted him.

“You have no right to impose your personal religious beliefs on people seeking to be married. Governments in this nation, including the Commonwealth of Kentucky, are secular,” the group’s letter read. “They do not have the power to impose religion on citizens. The bottom line is that by law, there must be a secular option for people seeking to get married. In Trigg County, you are that secular option.”
Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they don’t mention God in their vows

For those who think religious objection to gay marriage is an excuse for a governmental official not to do their job, do they feel the above should be allowed as well?

jimbo 07-17-2016 05:45 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
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Originally Posted by foundit66 (Post 828916)
Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple
because they donít mention God in their vows


Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in their vows

For those who think religious objection to gay marriage is an excuse for a governmental official not to do their job, do they feel the above should be allowed as well?

A judge who refuses to perform legal wedding ceremonies is violating the first amendment and should resign or be fired. In fact the reverse is true. Civil ceremonies should not be religious at all. Religious ceremonies belong in a place of worship.

This situation, however, has nothing to do with gay marriage. A different issue.

Bat 07-17-2016 08:08 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
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Originally Posted by foundit66 (Post 828916)
Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple
because they donít mention God in their vows


Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in their vows

For those who think religious objection to gay marriage is an excuse for a governmental official not to do their job, do they feel the above should be allowed as well?

It is still religious objection, so yes. The judge is being consistent with his values.
I hope it doesn't bother you that this atheist respects the religious choices of others.

mr wonder 07-17-2016 09:23 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
short answer is, Technically Yes.
the judge can claim a "personal" or "religious" objection.
The same as an atheist judge might claim one if, for instance, he thought the man was violent and didn't want to be a part of it.

But here's my issue with this judges "religious" objection.
I don't know what Christian Biblical criteria this guy is using for this it.
As far as i can tell it's just a personal preference.
To my knowledge there's NO scripture that says marriage vows must have God in them. Not even one passage that HINTS at the idea.
And there is No scripture that says atheist can't marry or
BE married ,by the state, by clergy, or whoever atheist want to be married by.
So he's got a home brew religion going as far as i can tell.

But Found, If you want to look up Judges that will not marrying people for religious reasons then look up refusals to marry 'Christians with Atheists' or 'Christians with other faiths'.
There's a clear scriptural prohibition against Christians getting married to unbelievers. So by default performing a ceremony for them, or baking a cake or giving flowers, is wrong.... at least if you're aware of the parties faith.

I'm sure there are cases of Christians Judges Not doing it or doing it anyway. certainly Christian pastors refusing to do it , i know at least one.
Either way you'll get cases that you might feel justifies your idea that the Gov't MUST FORCE Religious people to be involved in ALL weddings they are requested to. Even when there's TONS of other options for couples to "marry". And NO harm is done by the minority of refusals. So accommodation of religion is not a burden.

zoriolus 07-17-2016 09:45 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
Perhaps "The Friendly Atheist" could help find a friendly official who will cheerfully do the ceremony and sign the papers. A friendly baker or caterer can provide the goodies.

Lumara 07-17-2016 10:10 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
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Originally Posted by foundit66 (Post 828916)

For those who think religious objection to gay marriage is an excuse for a governmental official not to do their job, do they feel the above should be allowed as well?

I don't believe either should be allowed. A privately-owned business should be allowed to deny business based on religious beliefs; however, a government official should not be allowed to use religion as a reason to not perform his or her public duties.

jimbo 07-17-2016 10:16 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
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Originally Posted by Lumara (Post 828973)
I don't believe either should be allowed. A privately-owned business should be allowed to deny business based on religious beliefs; however, a government official should not be allowed to use religion as a reason to not perform his or her public duties.

Excatly.:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

winston53660 07-17-2016 10:36 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
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Originally Posted by zoriolus (Post 828967)
Perhaps "The Friendly Atheist" could help find a friendly official who will cheerfully do the ceremony and sign the papers. A friendly baker or caterer can provide the goodies.

Why should they have to? They are legal tax paying citizens engaged in a legal activity.

Joe Shoe 07-17-2016 10:58 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
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Originally Posted by mr. wonder (Post 828965)
short answer is, Technically Yes.
the judge can claim a "personal" or "religious" objection.
The same as an atheist judge might claim one if, for instance, he thought the man was violent and didn't want to be a part of it.

But here's my issue with this judges "religious" objection.
I don't know what Christian Biblical criteria this guy is using for this it.
As far as i can tell it's just a personal preference.
To my knowledge there's NO scripture that says marriage vows must have God in them. Not even one passage that HINTS at the idea.
And there is No scripture that says atheist can't marry or
BE married ,by the state, by clergy, or whoever atheist want to be married by.
So he's got a home brew religion going as far as i can tell.

But Found, If you want to look up Judges that will not marrying people for religious reasons then look up refusals to marry 'Christians with Atheists' or 'Christians with other faiths'.
There's a clear scriptural prohibition against Christians getting married to unbelievers. So by default performing a ceremony for them, or baking a cake or giving flowers, is wrong.... at least if you're aware of the parties faith.

I'm sure there are cases of Christians Judges Not doing it or doing it anyway. certainly Christian pastors refusing to do it , i know at least one.
Either way you'll get cases that you might feel justifies your idea that the Gov't MUST FORCE Religious people to be involved in ALL weddings they are requested to. Even when there's TONS of other options for couples to "marry". And NO harm is done by the minority of refusals. So accommodation of religion is not a burden.

Once again, this leads us into the current quagmire mess that is religion, the state, and officiants. If we allow religious ministers to not officiate a wedding they disapprove of, why not a judge as well? Who are we to decide what is religious or not here? When the state lets religious ministers serve as officiants, but yet allows them to discriminate, why shouldn't a judge get to do the same? This is all yet more evidence of how having the state and religion mingled on the issue of marriage is a mess. Get the state out of marriage altogether.

winston53660 07-17-2016 11:10 AM

Re: Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they donít mention God in
 
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Originally Posted by Joe Shoe (Post 828992)
Once again, this leads us into the current quagmire mess that is religion, the state, and officiants. If we allow religious ministers to not officiate a wedding they disapprove of, why not a judge as well?

A Judge is a public servant a minister is not.


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