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Civil Rights & Abortion Discuss Kentucky judge refuses to marry atheist couple because they don’t mention God in thei at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by jimbo No, you're missing the issue. Mentioning God by a government official in his official capacity or ... |
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It's not indicative of governmental position. The judge in this case is supposed to be officiating a wedding. As such, he cannot be inserting his personal beliefs into an act which is not his personal opinion. It's like swearing to tell the truth in a court of law. A bible is present and those who want to swear on it can do so. But those who do not wish to swear on the bible can choose to take a different oath. The judge and/or bailiff in the case CANNOT make the person swear on a bible in order to be sworn in. ![]() Quote:
As a government employee, you have a constitutional obligation to remain neutral on religious matters while acting in your official capacity. You have no right to impose your personal religious beliefs on people seeking to be married. Governments in this nation, including the Commonwealth of Kentucky, are secular. They do not have the power to impose religion on citizens.The marriage ceremony is not about the judge. But the judge wants to make it about himself... ![]() Quote:
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"Anyone that has a problem with the word God at all shows more about their own failings than religion." This phrase: I don't have a problem with religion. Utter religious words all you want. Just don't tell me I have to agree with you. I don't consider that a failing. The judge is doing just that. It's his way or the highway. |
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![]() I'm sure you want to pretend its something very different because you've always argued with me on that point, but it's actually pretty much the same for all practical purposes to what I've called for (separating them), which if you'd have stopped and actually LISTENED and DIALOGED in our discussions instead of just trying to one-up and just merely trying to win debate, you might have actually realized. ![]()
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That's not what jimbo said... ![]() "Actually that's what I've been saying from the get-go .... get govt. out of marriage and leave THAT to the religious/cultural sphere." That's the reverse of what I said. I have no idea why a religious official has any right to conduct government business. |
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![]() Joe, the judge refused to conduct the marriage, something that is part of his official duties. UNLESS:
The Athiest couple agreed to his terms. Which included conducting the ceremony under his idea of a wedding ceremony, which was based on his religion. |
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![]() To somewhat repeat, this my thing about atheist Here.
In answering some of these questions I often try to put myself in the various people's shoes. And I DO understand a person of conviction NOT wanting someone to toss the word "god" around a ceremony where they don't want it. But here's the thing, if there's an option to go elsewhere WITHOUT HASSLE. then guess what I'm PROBABLY going to take that route. Especially if the person wanting to toss "god" around is JUST as sincere as i am. I can't fault him for his convictions. And there's ROOM for everyone to get exactly what they want. boom no problmo. But to take it further I've asked myself what if I lived in Country with mostly Muslims and wanted to get an "official" state wedding. And the Judge said he wanted to use the name of ALLAH and have Mohammed bless us. Well I would not be comfortable with that. and would make other agreements. BUT should i try to use legal means to Force the Muslim to LEAVE it out. Especially if it's by law (if not by custom) a secular country? No probably not. Is that REALLY what i want to do? Force religion out of ever nook and cranny of legal life. Or do i just want to get married? Is Christianity harming atheist here? In a muslim country it Might. But Christianity BIRTHED accommodation and separation of Church and state. But it seems that some atheist are just offended that ANY remnants of faith dare be present in public life. As if that IS harm. But out of the other sides of their mouths they'll say it's completely meaningless.
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![]() The hell it wasn't. Either you did it his way or no go. All the judge had to do was to say I hereby pronounce you man and wife. That'll be fifty dollars please. Instead he said unless you let me marry you in my faith, you're out of luck.
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Yep, but there are some atheists that are friendly and agreeable. They're not out to make it a federal case. They just want to get married and go on a honeymoon. "The Friendly Atheist". It seems that a reference of God wouldn't really matter to a legitimate atheist. |
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