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U.S. District Judge David Bunning has ordered Kim Davis to be released from jail. He placed the Rowan County clerk in contempt of court on Thursday and ordered she stay there until she agree to do her job and issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples or resign.

Davis has done neither.

Bunning has warned Davis she is not to interfere with the issuance of marriage licenses.

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The courts are trying for a compromise.
Let's see if Kim is eager to get back to her jail cell.
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Will she also be penalized fore refusing to do her job, or is that the end of it? She needs to be impeached. Someone who refuses to do her job shouldn't remain in that position.
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Will she also be penalized fore refusing to do her job, or is that the end of it? She needs to be impeached. Someone who refuses to do her job shouldn't remain in that position.
She wasn't jailed for refusing to do her job, she was jailed for refusing to bow to the whim of the imperial Federal judge. The SCOTUS simply decreed a new law, gay marriage, without specifying penalties for noncompliance. So naturally the Federal judge decided an indeterminate jail sentence without a trial or bail was appropriate. Of course laws passed by an "inferior" body allowing for indefinite jail time by the whim of a judge would be struck down by the same Federal judiciary that threw the county clerk in jail.
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My guess would be the first words out of her mouth at the office will be an order to stop issuing marriage licenses. Of course if she had any brains she would say stop issuing them to gay couples, at least then she would be in compliance with state law and doing the job she agreed to do.
She'll likely also send out a letter, on county letter head, to all holders of licenses issued without her authorization that the licenses are not valid. She might also go as far as to fire anybody who issued licenses, although their may be a union issue there, I don't know the details.
The court is fooling itself if they think this lady is going to comply.
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She wasn't jailed for refusing to do her job, she was jailed for refusing to bow to the whim of the imperial Federal judge.
She was failed for refusing to do her job.
She refused to provide ANY marriage licenses out of her office.
As soon as they sat her in her jail cell, the office started issuing marriage licenses again.


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My guess would be the first words out of her mouth at the office will be an order to stop issuing marriage licenses. Of course if she had any brains she would say stop issuing them to gay couples, at least then she would be in compliance with state law and doing the job she agreed to do.
Do you think that would mean anything regarding her quick return to jail?
Do you think saying "Issue to straight couples but not to gay couples" would mean there would be any delay to her being back in an orange jump suit?


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The court is fooling itself if they think this lady is going to comply.
Maybe.
A part of me wonders how much of a "dog and pony show" is being considered regarding the actions...
She is definitely getting back advice regarding how to proceed. I think some people WANT her in jail so she can be perceived as a martyr.

The court is offering an olive branch. If she rejects it, the perception of being a martyr is tarnished for some.
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Do you think that would mean anything regarding her quick return to jail?
Do you think saying "Issue to straight couples but not to gay couples" would mean there would be any delay to her being back in an orange jump suit?
Not likely, because at this point she is being allowed to return to work without being forced to issuing licenses, however she is not allowed to interfere with others issuing them and the smart money says she will interfere. But it may have made a difference early on by putting her situation closer to that of the A&F case and the flight attendant.

Of course that leads to the question of the validity of the licenses issued without her authorization. We'll see what later judges have to say on that matter.

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Maybe.
A part of me wonders how much of a "dog and pony show" is being considered regarding the actions...
She is definitely getting back advice regarding how to proceed. I think some people WANT her in jail so she can be perceived as a martyr.

The court is offering an olive branch. If she rejects it, the perception of being a martyr is tarnished for some.
I think one of the main reasons her release isn't going to last is that SHE is one of the people that want her in jail as a martyr.
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Not likely, because at this point she is being allowed to return to work without being forced to issuing licenses, however she is not allowed to interfere with others issuing them and the smart money says she will interfere. But it may have made a difference early on by putting her situation closer to that of the A&F case and the flight attendant.
Of course that leads to the question of the validity of the licenses issued without her authorization. We'll see what later judges have to say on that matter.
Oh yeah.
That comment from you could be a whole big can of worms for the couples involved ...


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I think one of the main reasons her release isn't going to last is that SHE is one of the people that want her in jail as a martyr.
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She's back...

Kim Davis Takes Struggle Against Gay Marriage To Another Theater: Romania
October 13, 2017 - Kim Davis has taken her fight against same-sex marriage far beyond the borders of her native Kentucky lately — far beyond even U.S. shores. The Rowan County clerk, who was jailed briefly in 2015 for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, headed to Romania this week to push for a change to the country's constitution.
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That change would clarify the definition of marriage from "between spouses" to a clearer delineation of genders. In Romania, where homosexuality was fully decriminalized in 2002, the civil code already specifies that marriage is a legal union between a man and a woman. A massively popular petition last year called for a referendum that would cement the ban on same-sex marriage. Any referendum still needs the final approval of the country's lawmakers to move forward. Davis has embarked on a nine-day visit backing the campaign, joined by Harry Mihet of Liberty Counsel, the conservative legal group that represented her during her 2015 legal fight. According to the group, that trip includes meetings with archbishops in the predominantly Orthodox Christian country, speaking engagements and stops in the capital, Bucharest, as well as several other cities. "I am so glad for this amazing opportunity to finally introduce Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis personally to my Romanian people," Mihet, a native Romanian, said in a statement Tuesday. He suggested a parallel between the campaign to definitively outlaw same-sex marriage and Romanians' bloody fight to throw off the yoke of its former communist regime. "Her story resonates loudly with them, and they are receiving her tearfully and very warmly, because they can still remember the not-so-long-ago days when they were themselves persecuted and imprisoned for their conscience. The freedom of conscience transcends national, cultural, religious and denominational lines, and Romanians are determined to prevent such injustice from ever happening again in their country."


Kim Davis, seen in 2015 outside the Rowan County Judicial Center in Morehead, Ky.

Local LGBTQ advocates such as the Romanian organization Accept see Davis' visit in starkly different terms. The organizers of one event in Bucharest, for instance, "falsely promote Christian hero Kim Davis, an American citizen convicted by U.S. courts in 2015 ... as a heroine of religious freedom," the group said in a statement Tuesday. "The right to dignity is equally guaranteed to all citizens of Romania, including the Constitution, and its violation cannot be justified by religiously motivated prejudices." "We are seeing a determined attempt to use religion or traditional themes to oppose human rights," said Cristian Parvulescu, founder of a platform that claims the support of 100 nongovernmental organizations, according to The Guardian. "We know how this ends."

Davis drew national attention in the U.S. two years ago, just months after the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage nationwide. In direct contradiction to that ruling, Davis repeatedly refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, citing her religious beliefs. Ultimately she was found in contempt of court and locked up for five days, becoming an icon to opponents of same-sex marriage in the process.

Despite her relatively high profile in the U.S., it remains unclear just how effective her visit will be in Romania. (Sites like Vice Romania have published explainers lately on who, exactly, she is.) But the legal change she is campaigning for has the potential to upset relations with a European Union that has generally been trending in the opposite direction. It might put the country "on a collision course with Brussels," Politico notes. The Guardian reports that the Coalition for the Family, a set of 40 groups pushing for the change, said in a statement that it is worried about more important things. "We have the constitutional right and moral obligation to defend the family from trends in modern society that reduce its importance and accelerate its decline," it said.

Kim Davis Takes Struggle Against Gay Marriage To Another Theater: Romania : The Two-Way : NPR
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For those who have developed convenient amnesia regarding the Kim Davis situation, she put herself in that situation.

1) She was in a position where she could not be fired.
Why Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Can't Be Fired for Refusing to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

2) Her actions blocked marriage licenses completely. It wasn't even a situation where (hypothetically) John Doe refused to give the gay marriage license but Mary Smith would do it...
It was a situation where she completely blocked those marriage licenses.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.1dc75c8b8c9b
She did this even after the judge offered her the opportunity to “purge” her contempt of court by allowing her deputies to sign same-sex marriage licenses in her place. She refused to do that, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis
She was released from jail five days later, under the condition that she not interfere with the efforts of her deputy clerks, who had started issuing marriage licenses to all couples.
3) Kim Davis's antics put Kentucky on the hook for almost a quarter million dollars.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/u...-marriage.html
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For those who have developed convenient amnesia regarding the Kim Davis situation, she put herself in that situation.
False...

The rules changed while she was in her position...The situation was put on her...
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