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Oh, look, Foundit is explaining how it's "different" when liberals ignore laws.

Your attempt to make yourself look less like a double standard hypocrite is admirable but a doomed mission that can't succeed. Facts are a stubborn thing. A conservative city official refused to sign marriage certificates for gays and was jailed. A liberal city official refused to do anything about a known illegal alien with a criminal record in his city and let him go free instead of following proper law and procedure and has nothing at all done to him.

Those are facts, my partisan, rolling eye acquaintance. No amount of your pathetic, "It's different" lame-ass defense is gonna fly. When a conservative official refuses to do their job, they're jailed. When a liberal official refuses to do their job, jack-sh*t happens. Period. The only thing accomplished by you continuing to flap your lips together is we get to see how deep your partisanship really goes and how double standards are fine with you as long as your standards are the ones getting preferential treatment.

My brain literally can't comprehend or understand how liberals cheer for Kim Davis going to jail but could care less that a wife-beating, child-endangering, kidnapping, witness-tampering, corrupt sheriff knew there was a dangerous illegal immigrant in his city, refused a request to turn him over to federal authorities for deportation, and released him, where the illegal immigrant went out and killed an innocent young woman.

There's not a bigger, "WTF" moment than that. Ross Mirkarimi should be in jail facing charges for accessory to murder. He also shoulda been stripped of his Sheriff status due to his own run-ins with the law. Dude is a first-rate scumbag and bears responsibility for Kate Steinle's death.

And if this couldn't get any more strange, I read this on Mirkarimi's Wiki page:

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As a supervisor, Mirkarimi received national attention in 2007 when he introduced the first legislation prohibiting the use of non-biodegradable plastic bags by large supermarkets and drugstores, making San Francisco the first city to do so.
Got that, peeps? Non-biodegradable shopping bags are bad news but dangerous illegal immigrants runnin' free on the streets are fine. This is the logic this moron uses in his twisted and pathetic life. What's even scarier is this idiot was elected.

Now let's all sit back, relax, hit the bong, and listen to Foundit try again to explain how a conservative not following the law is different from a liberal not following it. It's painful to watch but somehow amusing.

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And "Rightists" never do that, do they ...



No. They did not.
Please quote SCOTUS where they "invalidated all of Kentucky's state laws pertaining to marriage".
(Hint: you can't do it...)



Again, what I say doesn't really matter to you. I appreciate some liberals have hypocrisy on the issue.
Just like some conservatives have hypocrisy on this issue.

My own personal opinion on "sanctuary" areas has been given to you before.
I won't hold my breath for you to honestly acknowledge it.




There's a difference inbetween violating the 14th amendment and simply refusing to enforce federal laws that it isn't their job to enforce.

Kim Davis violated the 14th amendment.
If any liberal person said "I refuse to give Christians marriage licenses cause I have a religion that objects to Christianity", then have that case hauled in front of a court and toss their butt in jail too.

With sanctuary cities, essentially we have state government people saying they are refusing to enforce federal law. And that act does not violate people's civil rights.
That's the difference.



You haven't one microscopic clue of what my opinion is, even when I tell it to you.
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1. On February 12, 2004, I ordered the clerk of the City and County of San Francisco to start issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. I believed that the law on the books at that time, defining marriage between a man and a woman, violated the equal protection clause of the California State Constitution.

2. Citizens challenge the constitutionality of local, state and federal laws all the time. They have that right. That is how our system of democratic governance works. The matter is then handed to the courts to determine the constitutionality of a law.

3. One month and 4,000 marriages after we started, the California Supreme Court ordered the City and County of San Francisco to stop issuing licenses to same-sex couples. We complied with the court’s order immediately.

That’s it, and therein lies the key difference: We did not issue one more license after we received that order from the California Supreme Court. Because the Supreme Court is charged with interpreting the constitution, I could not, in my mind, object to its order — its order is law.

Kim Davis was in jail because she was in contempt of court. She defied the ruling of a federal judge, was given ample room to comply and was finally thrown in jail after she failed to do so. The same would have happened to me had I continued to order the clerk to issue marriage licenses in defiance of the California Supreme Court’s order.

The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Obergefell v. Hodges did not order individuals to perform or recognize same-sex marriages; it ordered state governments to legally recognize same-sex marriages. As the clerk for Rowan County, Ms. Davis took an oath of office where she swore to support the U.S. Constitution — the same constitution that gives the Supreme Court final word on all constitutional matters.

Ms. Davis would like to act as a martyr, but no one has forced her to issue marriage licenses to anyone. She had two very clear choices that would have allowed her to maintain her religious liberty. First, she could have resigned. Second, Judge Bunning told her that he would release her from jail if she would simply allow her deputies to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and not interfere in any way — but she pointedly said that she would interfere and order them not to issue licenses to same-sex couples.

San Francisco’s Winter of Love in 2004 expanded civil rights and furthered the pursuit of liberty and justice for all. The state that prohibited James and John to marry could not prove harm caused to others resulting from their union. In complete contrast, County Clerk Kim Davis’ refusal to allow same-sex couples their constitutional right to marry has the effect of curtailing civil rights and harming those whose love she deems inferior.

I challenge Governor Huckabee and all of Kim Davis’ supporters to think about this question that was posed by Jon Davidson of Lambda Legal:
I have to wonder: just how many of those supporting Kentucky clerk Kim Davis’s refusal to issue marriage licenses based on her religious objection to same-sex couples marrying would support a Quaker government official who refused to issue them gun permits based on a religious commitment to pacifism?
Gavin Newsom Answers Mike Huckabee: Don't Compare Me To Kim Davis - The New Civil Rights Movement

Or would people find that as "different" ...
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Oh, look, Foundit is explaining how it's "different" when liberals ignore laws.
Your attempt to make yourself look less like a double standard hypocrite is admirable but a doomed mission that can't succeed.
Of course not.
You are a complete liar when it comes to acknowledging what liberals are actually saying. You just repeat your talking points regardless of what the facts or stated opinions are.

I whole-heartedly acknowledge any attempt to get you to admit any difference would be a doomed endeavor.


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Facts are a stubborn thing. A conservative city official refused to sign marriage certificates for gays and was jailed. A liberal city official refused to do anything about a known illegal alien with a criminal record in his city and let him go free instead of following proper law and procedure and has nothing at all done to him.
Kindly document the case you are talking about (including names, dates, and places), then we'll talk.
Until then, I have no idea WTF you're talking about.
As I wasn't talking about that, you're obviously not talking about anything I actually said.
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Of course not.
You are a complete liar when it comes to acknowledging what liberals are actually saying. You just repeat your talking points regardless of what the facts or stated opinions are.

I whole-heartedly acknowledge any attempt to get you to admit any difference would be a doomed endeavor.



Kindly document the case you are talking about (including names, dates, and places), then we'll talk.
Until then, I have no idea WTF you're talking about.
As I wasn't talking about that, you're obviously not talking about anything I actually said.
he's talking about the San Fran shooting...The guy who murdered that young girl was a repeat-felony offender and was released into the public...

Of course, that's just one case...There are probably dozens, or even hundreds of murderers that were released beforehand because officials within the city decided federal law was worthless...and never end up in jail...In fact, they are called "Heroes" in the La Raza community...
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he's talking about the San Fran shooting...The guy who murdered that young girl was a repeat-felony offender and was released into the public...

Of course, that's just one case...There are probably dozens, or even hundreds of murderers that were released beforehand because officials within the city decided federal law was worthless...and never end up in jail...In fact, they are called "Heroes" in the La Raza community...
And this dude was in custody with immigration authorities askin' 'em to hold him until they can come get him. But this pin-headed douche Sheriff knowingly let him go and he ended up killing an innocent young woman. Funny how a certain group of people don't find that decision to be a little f*ckin' frightening.

But no, let's ignore that and act like some idiot in Kentucky refusin' to marry homosexuals is somehow more tragic and sickening.
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Oh, look, Foundit is explaining how it's "different" when liberals ignore laws.

Your attempt to make yourself look less like a double standard hypocrite is admirable but a doomed mission that can't succeed. Facts are a stubborn thing. A conservative city official refused to sign marriage certificates for gays and was jailed. A liberal city official refused to do anything about a known illegal alien with a criminal record in his city and let him go free instead of following proper law and procedure and has nothing at all done to him.

Those are facts, my partisan, rolling eye acquaintance. No amount of your pathetic, "It's different" lame-ass defense is gonna fly. When a conservative official refuses to do their job, they're jailed. When a liberal official refuses to do their job, jack-sh*t happens. Period. The only thing accomplished by you continuing to flap your lips together is we get to see how deep your partisanship really goes and how double standards are fine with you as long as your standards are the ones getting preferential treatment.

My brain literally can't comprehend or understand how liberals cheer for Kim Davis going to jail but could care less that a wife-beating, child-endangering, kidnapping, witness-tampering, corrupt sheriff knew there was a dangerous illegal immigrant in his city, refused a request to turn him over to federal authorities for deportation, and released him, where the illegal immigrant went out and killed an innocent young woman.

There's not a bigger, "WTF" moment than that. Ross Mirkarimi should be in jail facing charges for accessory to murder. He also shoulda been stripped of his Sheriff status due to his own run-ins with the law. Dude is a first-rate scumbag and bears responsibility for Kate Steinle's death.

And if this couldn't get any more strange, I read this on Mirkarimi's Wiki page:



Got that, peeps? Non-biodegradable shopping bags are bad news but dangerous illegal immigrants runnin' free on the streets are fine. This is the logic this moron uses in his twisted and pathetic life. What's even scarier is this idiot was elected.

Now let's all sit back, relax, hit the bong, and listen to Foundit try again to explain how a conservative not following the law is different from a liberal not following it. It's painful to watch but somehow amusing.


PP violates Federal law,, nobody arrested
Sanctuary cities violate fed laws, nobody is arrested
DOJ runs guns to Mexican cartels, nobody gets arrested
IRS targets conservatives,,, nobody gets arrested
Hillary violates federal laws on Classified info,, nobody gets arrested.

Conclusion, Mr. nobody is spending a lot of time in court?

And a lot of lawless liberal Progressives are not.
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PP violates Federal law,, nobody arrested
Show me any investigation that backs this up, then we'll talk.
Until then, you guys keep claiming that DESPITE the fact that state investigations prove it false.

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Sanctuary cities violate fed laws, nobody is arrested
What "fed law" do they violate?
The typical story is that you guys want state and local government officials to do the federal government's job. Some areas are willing to cooperate.
Others are not.
That isn't breaking any law. There is no law that mandates the local government must enforce federal law.

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IRS targets conservatives,,, nobody gets arrested
Cause you're just repeating right-wing lies.
IRS never targeted conservatives. After HOW MANY YEARS have you come up with NO EVIDENCE on this, do you finally put this lie to bed?

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Hillary violates federal laws on Classified info,, nobody gets arrested.
QUOTE the law, then we'll talk.

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Conclusion, Mr. nobody is spending a lot of time in court?
Contempt of court.

The stupid thing about your rant is NONE of the above except Kim Davis involves a trial.
You're pronouncing guilt and whining about the lack of jail time without a trial.
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There is no law that mandates the local government must enforce federal law.
Then what local law is Kim Davis breaking?...And why is a federal judge involved?...

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Bunning ordered Davis to jail on Thursday after finding her in contempt of court for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples in Rowan County after June's U.S. Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage.
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Then what local law is Kim Davis breaking?...And why is a federal judge involved?...
She is violating the constitution.
That thing she took an oath to uphold?
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States ...
The federal judge is involved because she is violating the federal constitution.
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Amazing...we went from...

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There is no law that mandates the local government must enforce federal law.
...straight to...

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The federal judge is involved because she is violating the federal constitution.
All in the span of 18 minutes...

Ok...Here we go...

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The oaths of state and local officials are largely patterned on the federal oath of constitutional allegiance. Typical would be the oath taken by all New York government officials:

I solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of New York, (and the Charter of the City of New York, e.g.), and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of (mayor of the City of New York, e.g.) to the best of my ability.[73]

(So help me God is traditionally added.)
Hmmmm...The same thing Kim Davis has to swear...

New York City IS a sanctuary city...

You're implying that its perfectly legit that any official that takes an oath supporting the Constitution can also watch the Constitution being violated and turn a blind eye (and in some cases) advocate for it...

Non-Christians, of course...
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