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Same-Sex 'Marriage' Inevitability is Myth, Not Reality - BarbWire.com
" recent AP-GfK Poll on same-sex marriage presents to us a very different picture of this issue in America than what the elites in the liberal media, academia, government and especially Hollywood would have us believe. When asked which way the United States Supreme Court should rule on its upcoming same-sex marriage cases, the country seems to be evenly divided, 48 to 48. Wait. I thought “everyone” supported same-sex marriage. Don’t “they” tell us that only a fringe group holds on to the old idea that marriage is between one man and one woman before God in a commitment for life? Yes, but no. The same-sex marriage inevitability myth is just that, a fantasy. It is just a tool the elite use to try to discourage supporters of marriage and win the argument by default. Even when the question of support for same-sex marriage was asked apart from the Supreme Court case, not even half, only 44 percent, support it. Thirty nine opposed it, and 15 percent stayed neutral. That is hardly an “inevitability” picture. It is certainly a very different picture than what they show us on television and the laws that liberal politicians continue to ram through our legislatures.
Read more at http://barbwire.com/2015/02/10/needs...h-not-reality/
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When asked which way the United States Supreme Court should rule on its upcoming same-sex marriage cases, the country seems to be evenly divided, 48 to 48.
Public opinion has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitutionally protected rights of the person in the United States.


When the US Supreme Court decision in Loving v Virginia struck down prohibitions against inter-racial marriage the majority of Americans did not endorse inter-racial marriage. While there were no public polls to my knowledge on the issue at the time there was wide-spread opposition to inter-racial marriage. My parents, socially liberal Republicans (a common trait of Republicans in the 1960's), didn't believe blacks and whites should inter-marry at the time and that was a widespread belief among social liberals of the time. Of course the social-conservative Democrats of the South certainly opposed inter-racial marriage as they were the one's responsible for the prohibitions against interracial marriage that the Supreme Court struck down.

The sad part is that so many Americans (48% apparently) oppose the Constitutionally protected rights of the LGBT community in the United States.
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Everyone here knows this already and nowhere was that claim being made in the article.
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Everyone here knows this already and nowhere was that claim being made in the article.
And nobody is saying that everyone supports same-sex marriage, not whoever "they" is at least. But your article didnt bother to think and threw that in there anyway.

But it is true that same-sex marriage is inevitable. We're 37 states out of 50 in, there's no going back.
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Wait. I thought “everyone” supported same-sex marriage. Don’t “they” tell us that only a fringe group holds on to the old idea that marriage is between one man and one woman before God in a commitment for life? Yes, but no. The same-sex marriage inevitability myth is just that, a fantasy.
Oh it is fairly obvious what you trying to promote here.
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Everyone here knows this already and nowhere was that claim being made in the article.
If everyone agrees that the Supreme Court should enforce the Constitutional protections of the Rights of the Person then how could 48% be opposed to it?

Of course the poll wasn't of Political Wrinkles membership so we are, to some extent, comparing apples and oranges. We can only look at those here that express opinions opposed to marriage equality for all Americans as being opposed the the Constitutionally Protected Rights of the Person.
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And nobody is saying that everyone supports same-sex marriage, not whoever "they" is at least. But your article didnt bother to think and threw that in there anyway.

But it is true that same-sex marriage is inevitable. We're 37 states out of 50 in, there's no going back.
It was an op ed piece; you are welcome to disagree with it. you may be right on the inevitability part, and if so it certainly isn't going to bring down society or anything. But whether it is truly inevitable, we'll see eventually.
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If everyone agrees that the Supreme Court should enforce the Constitutional protections of the Rights of the Person then how could 48% be opposed to it?
Because moral disapproval of a behavior and legal disapproval aren't the same thing
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Because moral disapproval of a behavior and legal disapproval aren't the same thing
Oh really is that why the State AG of Texas fought so hard all the way to the SCOTUS to keep sodomey laws?
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It was an op ed piece; you are welcome to disagree with it. you may be right on the inevitability part, and if so it certainly isn't going to bring down society or anything. But whether it is truly inevitable, we'll see eventually.
I've read many Supreme Court decisions and I don't recall any cases were a right of the person, once granted under the law, was ever revoked and those rights of the person expand to all person's eventually under the law.

The Supreme Court is not going to revoke marriage for same-sex couples and eventually, even if some states oppose it, it will spread throughout all of the states based upon lawsuits that hinge on either equal protection clause and/or the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution.

That is inevitable.
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