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U.S. Congressman Chris Smith earlier this week announced gay rights are not human rights. "I am a strong believer in traditional marriage and I do not construe homosexual rights as human rights," Smith said. He also suggested that the Obama administration’s "views on LGBT rights affected or hindered our support for Nigeria to defeat Boko Haram."

The conservative Republican from New Jersey is now under attack by LGBT groups in his home state and nationally, by the Human Rights Campaign.

Heightening the impact of his anti-gay statement is that Rep. Smith is the chairman of the Subcommittee on Africa, Global Health, Global Human Rights, and International Organizations, and made his comments at a meeting of that subcommittee, which is a part of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

Congressman Smith's remarks were made on Wednesday, perhaps ironically, during a hearing he chaired on Nigeria. That same day, Nigerian law enforcement arrested twelve men accused of holding a same-sex wedding.
'I Do Not Construe Homosexual Rights As Human Rights' Says GOP Human Rights Subcommittee Head - The New Civil Rights Movement

I could list a variety of liberals blasting him.
That'd be too easy.
Let's jump to the conservative side of the aisle for commentary...

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U.S. Rep. Chris Smith’s (R-4) comments on gay rights this week earned him a rhetorical beating from the left — but now, he’s hearing it from his own party.

After being hammered by human rights groups and Democratic organizations in New Jersey for saying that he does “not construe homosexual rights as human rights” at a Wednesday House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Africa hearing, Smith was battered by Republicans in the state today for the quip. In a letter “calling into question” the congressman’s stance on the matter, the Board of Directors of Equality GOP NJ said Smith’s comments stand “completely outside the recognized global human rights framework,” and demanded he “look inwardly and revisit his recent remarks and his current line of thinking.”

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“Despite Congressman Smith’s views on civil marriage equality, the Board of Directors of Equality GOP New Jersey have long respected his outstanding record on Human Rights and his courage to fight a just fight for the good of humankind and to promote the dignity and welfare of human life.

Mr. Smith’s recent remarks. however, are completely outside the recognized global human rights framework, inconsistent with his solid pro life record, contrary to Catholic teachings regarding violence against LGBT people, and not at all reflective of the values of equality and inclusion that have been the bedrock of the U.S. Republican Party and the values of life and liberty that have been the foundation of American democracy.

The U.N. Declaration on Human Rights — and the numerous covenants and instruments that have emerged from it — apply to women, indigenous peoples, people with disabilities, children, and LGBT people EQUALLY and WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

There is no greater violation of an individual’s human rights and no more tangible a threat to human rights universally than state-sanctioned violence against a living human being based on sexual orientation or gender identity.”
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Today, Equality GOP NJ piled on.
“This is a sad moment for Equality GOP NJ and for Republicans generally. This moment offers a critical lesson in how a few words uttered by an elected official who is highly respected and who holds a position of such authority and influence can have global consequences. Sometimes, however, a moment of shame can become a springboard of opportunity and greater courage.

A number of E-GOP’s leaders have stood with Congressman Smith over the years and supported his congressional career actively. Now it’s time for Congressman Smith to look inwardly and revisit his recent remarks and his current line of thinking.”
Equality GOP NJ’s leadership team includes vice chair Kim Taylor, a former state Assembly candidate in LD15 and commissioner of the Trenton Housing Authority, and chair John Traier, Passaic County Republican Party chairman.
Republicans also slam Smith for gay rights comments, ask him to ‘look inwardly’ | New Jersey News, Politics, Opinion, and Analysis
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Smith’s actual comment went like this: “I am a strong believer in traditional marriage and I do not construe homosexual rights as human rights.” He went on to muse whether “the (Obama) Administration’s views on LGBT rights affected or hindered our support for Nigeria to defeat Boko Haram.” In Chris Smith’s world we don’t construe gays rights with human rights, but we do conflate supporting gays with somehow enabling terrorism.
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Well all know the gays caused Katrina because pat Robertson told us so.
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Damn shame it couldn't have been a father / son event. IMHO.
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What exactly "human rights" and who is their arbiter?
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What exactly "human rights" and who is their arbiter?
I would loosely define them as those rights that when left bereft of, the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness are made impossible.
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I would loosely define them as those rights that when left bereft of, the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness are made impossible.
Except that's NOT in the US Constitution, which enumerates rights...

What you pointed out is in the Declaration of Independence...

But don't worry...Nancy doesn't get it either...
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Except that's NOT in the US Constitution, which enumerates rights...

What you pointed out is in the Declaration of Independence...

But don't worry...Nancy doesn't get it either...
And I'd refer you to the ninth amendment
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Except that's NOT in the US Constitution, which enumerates rights...
And there's nothing which justifies Citizens v United if you want to take it that literal.


The 9th amendment applies to your comment on "enumerating rights".
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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What you pointed out is in the Declaration of Independence...
And it's been recognized as applicable in a long list of court rulings.
Interesting how conservatives keep wanting to talk about what our founding fathers believed...
... until it comes to something they don't like.
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And I'd refer you to the ninth amendment
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The 9th amendment applies.
Ah yes...The funhouse mirror/678 degrees to Kevin Bacon rule...

That's right up there with saying "Health is a right and Jacuzzis would help people be healthy so all Americans should be given a Jacuzzi."...

I shouldn't have said that...I just gave Liberals an idea...
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I would loosely define them as those rights that when left bereft of, the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness are made impossible.
Then rights to particular forms of non-procreative sexual acts wouldn't qualify.
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