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I would loosely define them as those rights that when left bereft of, the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness are made impossible.
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Then rights to particular forms of non-procreative sexual acts wouldn't qualify.
If you can't find "happiness" from any sex other than procreative sex, then I truly pity you and any partner you may persuade...
I don't know what you're doing, but you're doing it wrong...


It astounds me how some conservatives will want to have the government stay out of things (business) ...
... but when it comes to recognizing sexual acts between consenting adults as something that is a right not to be touched by the government, that is something some have difficulty wrapping their head around.
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That's right up there with saying "Health is a right and Jacuzzis would help people be healthy so all Americans should be given a Jacuzzi."...
Who ever said health is a right?
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If you can't find "happiness" from any sex other than procreative sex, then I truly pity you and any partner you may persuade...
I don't know what you're doing, but you're doing it wrong...


It astounds me how some conservatives will want to have the government stay out of things (business) ...
... but when it comes to recognizing sexual acts between consenting adults as something that is a right not to be touched by the government, that is something some have difficulty wrapping their head around.
I'm saying that no form of sexual activity, is an absolute requirement for the pursuit of happiness. That's by your definition sexual acts can't be human rights.

I'd rather ask, how do we define happiness? The Soviet Union said that their workers were all happy.I'd imagine that Communist China says that today about theirsand do you really think that if the North Koreans were asked they would admit that their workers were ecstaticly happy? does this mean that China, the Soviet Union, and North Korea all respect what we think of as human rights?

and if we say the peoples of those countries were not actually happy, who empowered us to make such judgments in the political and legal sense?
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The definition of happiness is irreverent, the point is you cant stop me from pursuing my happiness nor can I stop you in yours, and while you my get a bad case of butt hurt over homosexuality, transgender, and same sex marriage, none of these prevent you from the pursuit of happiness. Now stop throwing stones at the hooker in the temple and go find some happiness.
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If you can't find "happiness" from any sex other than procreative sex, then I truly pity you and any partner you may persuade...
I don't know what you're doing, but you're doing it wrong...
I must be doing something wrong cause I should be blind by now.....
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I'm saying that no form of sexual activity, is an absolute requirement for the pursuit of happiness. That's by your definition sexual acts can't be human rights.
1) That was IP's definition. Not mine.
2) The phrase is pursuit of happiness. Not just being happy, but the pursuit of happiness.
3) I could say the same of a long list of other rights. Can people be happy with their freedom of speech restricted? Can people be happy without gun ownership? Can people be happy with ___ restricted ?

Obviously people can be happy without gun ownership. So maybe we should rethink why that is included in the Bill of Rights in the first place...


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I'd rather ask, how do we define happiness? The Soviet Union said that their workers were all happy.I'd imagine that Communist China says that today about theirsand do you really think that if the North Koreans were asked they would admit that their workers were ecstaticly happy? does this mean that China, the Soviet Union, and North Korea all respect what we think of as human rights?
and if we say the peoples of those countries were not actually happy, who empowered us to make such judgments in the political and legal sense?
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The definition of happiness is irreverent, the point is you cant stop me from pursuing my happiness nor can I stop you in yours, and while you my get a bad case of butt hurt over homosexuality, transgender, and same sex marriage, none of these prevent you from the pursuit of happiness. Now stop throwing stones at the hooker in the temple and go find some happiness.
Well said MC.

PURSUIT of happiness is one of the important distinction in that phrase.
And how much "liberty" can people be said to have when their government is allowed to dictate what two consenting adults do together?

Seriously OC. I realize you have a prejudice to gays, but you need to realize that you can't insist the government be able to discriminate against gays without throwing ideals of freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in a small box that you insist you get to define for others.
Allowing the government to tell others how they are not allowed to pursue happiness? You should realize how profoundly f***** that is without a very good reason.
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Seems to me no one has been prevented from "pursuing happiness" in this context since the days of sodomy laws. If happiness for you is just a freakin' piece of paper when in fact ALREADY no one is blocking to door to the chapel to have your gay 'marriage' ceremony and be monogamous, just maybe it's YOUR standard of what happiness is that's the problem, rather than everyone elses'.
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Seems to me no one has been prevented from "pursuing happiness" in this context since the days of sodomy laws.
Did you even read the OP?
This statement was offered regarding the context of another country's laws...

Additionally, if the courts were to refuse to recognize homosexual rights as human rights, most likely sodomy laws would never have fallen in the first place.

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If happiness for you is just a freakin' piece of paper when in fact ALREADY no one is blocking to door to the chapel to have your gay 'marriage' ceremony and be monogamous, just maybe it's YOUR standard of what happiness is that's the problem, rather than everyone elses'.
It's junk like this that not only tells me that you're not married, but you're also hopelessly single.

But regardless, pull your head out of your propagandic spin sphincter...
Do you see gays saying "If we can't marry we won't be happy"?
Honest answer:

What you see is people saying that we should have marriage equality. Equality being the reason why gay marriage should be legally recognized.
So take your boring strawman somewhere else.


If you REALLY have a gripe regarding what you said, then maybe you should ask historical heterosexuals why they had to set marriage up as a right in the first place.
Establishing over 1,000 rights and benefits associated with the governmentally recognized contract.
Even the government encourages marriage by providing tax breaks all the above benefits.
The societal pressure and questioning of "when are you going to get married?" when older single people are seen. It's a recognized part of society's expectations for life's path.

But I know you. You don't question heterosexuals on what they do or why they do it.
If it doesn't give you some flimsy excuse to chastise or attack gays, it's not really a question you're interested in...
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Did you even read the OP?
This statement was offered regarding the context of another country's laws...
Yeah, but I assumed you actually wanted to engage in RELEVANT discussion to you since this is your country. Maybe not. if all you want to do is talk about this in other countries, well, hell knock yourself out--the skies the limit and there's a lot worse places than here.

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It's junk like this that not only tells me you're not married, but you're also hopelessly single.
LOL. Whatever you want think. Who cares.

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What you see is people saying that we should have marriage equality. Equality being the reason why gay marriage should be legally recognized.
So take your boring strawman somewhere else.
As usual, you miss the point. You took the ol' "pursuit-of-happiness" argument. If your "happiness" is equality of the piece of paper that a marriage certificate is, I feel sorry for you. Because that's what your movement is "pursuing" with your "equality" push. THAT'S what it is. I'd still be married certificate OR NOT, and I'd be happy. If that's the basis of the argument you want to make here, then you have to deal with the flipside. It's the bed you've made here by making that the basis of your argument, so lay in it.
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Yeah, but I assumed you actually wanted to engage in RELEVANT discussion to you since this is your country.
I wanted to engage in RELEVANT discussion to the actual topic.
More specifically, when the OP is talking about "human rights" in another country's context, it's glaringly deceitful to suddenly try to pretend that it's just this country's context we should discuss.

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LOL. Whatever you want think. Who cares.
ROFLMAO!
Joe, it's amusing you don't comprehend how much you reveal about yourself on this forum.

And when person after person after person calls you on it, it's always "who cares" with you.

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As usual, you miss the point.
Translation: Joe wants to ignore the point I just made.
That point being that trying to talk about "happiness" when it comes to deriding gays over seeking marriage?
It's a strawman. Gays don't say they can't be happy without marriage.
They say they should have gay marriage because of equality.

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You took the ol' "pursuit-of-happiness" argument. If your "happiness" is equality of the piece of paper that a marriage certificate is, I feel sorry for you.
Joe, you keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over again in your rush to ignore what other people say.
Again, who is arguing that?

Hint: NOBODY

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Because that's what your movement is "pursuing" with your "equality" push. THAT'S what it is.
No. It's not.
It's about marriage equality.
Not creating one government category for straights that is precluded for gays.

I realize you lack the honesty to accurately state what we are saying, but it's about marriage equality.

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If that's the basis of the argument you want to make here....
It's not.
Nobody here is saying that.

Keep playing stupid and I'll repeat that back to you again.

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If you REALLY have a gripe regarding what you said, then maybe you should ask historical heterosexuals why they had to set marriage up as a right in the first place.
Establishing over 1,000 rights and benefits associated with the governmentally recognized contract.
Even the government encourages marriage by providing tax breaks all the above benefits.
The societal pressure and questioning of "when are you going to get married?" when older single people are seen. It's a recognized part of society's expectations for life's path.

But I know you. You don't question heterosexuals on what they do or why they do it.
If it doesn't give you some flimsy excuse to chastise or attack gays, it's not really a question you're interested in...
Without surprise, absolutely no reply to this...
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