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Old 07-11-2008, 07:20 AM
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1) I have read it.
Good for you. But it's still not required reading for anyone. If you don't like the message in the Bible, find another book to read.

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Women don't need to sue, cause modern day Christianity doesn't have a mainstay force that still pushes that antiquated misogynistic bullcrap.
If you had pastors rallying from the pulpit about how Eve made Adam go astray and dozens of other misogynistic messages, I wouldn't be surprised if you would see that...
I would. For the same reason as above. No one is forced to claim any religion.
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First, I don't think this lawsuit is going anywhere. This is purely an abstract discussion.

It's not about being forced to read the book or even follow the religion. It's about being harmed because of the material therein.

There is a difference.
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First, I don't think this lawsuit is going anywhere. This is purely an abstract discussion.

It's not about being forced to read the book or even follow the religion. It's about being harmed because of the material therein.

There is a difference.
So the people who's loved ones lost thier lives in the 9-11 attacks should have the right to sue anyone who publishes the Q'ran???
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First, I don't think this lawsuit is going anywhere. This is purely an abstract discussion.

It's not about being forced to read the book or even follow the religion. It's about being harmed because of the material therein.

There is a difference.
But the book is only interpreted as fact by certain people. As far as the government is concerned, it has to be considered fiction wouldn't it? Some people might consider it "The Good Book". But the government, it's just a book.
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as it was presented, it's not about the government
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Good for you. But it's still not required reading for anyone. If you don't like the message in the Bible, find another book to read.
I'm so glad I have your approval.
Are there any other books that you think I have not read that I may correct you on, and then you can critique me because I read something that is not "required reading"?

(Hint: That's sarcasm... )


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I would. For the same reason as above. No one is forced to claim any religion.
Quite frankly, you don't need to be "forced to claim a religion" to be damaged by it in a variety of forms.

I'm amused that we supposedly have "freedom of religion" in this country, but there are some ways where Americans are still forced to adhere to religious principals of some religions.

And if anybody thinks that the primary rationale for discriminating against gays isn't because "the bible says so", they are deluding themselves.

Leaving the situation as "no one is forced" is like having laws that prevent recognition of interracial marriage, which typically had claims of "religious" justification, and leaving the situation as "no one is forced" to marry within their own race.
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Quite frankly, you don't need to be "forced to claim a religion" to be damaged by it in a variety of forms.
Well sue the people, not the book.

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I'm amused that we supposedly have "freedom of religion" in this country, but there are some ways where Americans are still forced to adhere to religious principals of some religions.
Some religions happen to have values that translate to secular life.

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And if anybody thinks that the primary rationale for discriminating against gays isn't because "the bible says so", they are deluding themselves.
The world doesn't go by the Bible, but every country in the world does have a history of considering homosexuals abhorrent. Even to this day, most of the worlds population lives in countries that are not pro-homosexual. And I know how you love world based statistics.

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Leaving the situation as "no one is forced" is like having laws that prevent recognition of interracial marriage, which typically had claims of "religious" justification, and leaving the situation as "no one is forced" to marry within their own race.
But we are talking about a lawsuit where a man is suing about the Bible though. Not law. Don't like laws, lobby to change them. Don't like the Bible, don't read it. The relation of this lawsuit to interracial marriage is specious. Unless you can show where someone else sued the publishers of the Bible for those passages too. Besides, "the world" didn't have near universal interracial marriage bans like "gay rights" have had for all of modern history.
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Well sue the people, not the book.
1) I never said I support this guy's lawsuit.
2) He isn't suing "the book".
He's suing the people who produce the book.


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Some religions happen to have values that translate to secular life.
Thanks for the pointless truism.


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The world doesn't go by the Bible, but every country in the world does have a history of considering homosexuals abhorrent. Even to this day, most of the worlds population lives in countries that are not pro-homosexual. And I know how you love world based statistics.
And doesn't every country also have a history of subjugating women?
And I wouldn't be surprised if most countries have a history of racism/slavery as well.

You're trying to justify an injustice by pointing to its historical popularity, while bypassing the fact that it's still an injustice.


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But we are talking about a lawsuit where a man is suing about the Bible though. Not law. Don't like laws, lobby to change them. Don't like the Bible, don't read it.
When you can't address the point, you bypass it.
If it was as simple as that, THERE WOULD BE NO LAWSUIT.
If there weren't Christians out there who used their religion ON him, regardless of whether or not he reads the bible, this lawsuit wouldn't exist.


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The relation of this lawsuit to interracial marriage is specious. Unless you can show where someone else sued the publishers of the Bible for those passages too.
I see you're back to not understanding what an "analogy" is.
The point was to show how your claim of "no one is forced" is myopic. Missing the bigger picture.
While the "book" doesn't "force", PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW the book DO force.

And your contention is menial and pointless. I wasn't applying it to the "lawsuit", but to YOUR CLAIM of "no one is forced", showing how the claim is limited in its view of the problem.

And instead of addressing that, you drop your "no one is forced" argument and move on...

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Unfortunately, I think this will become more common place. References to biblical text regarding homosexuality are already considered hate-speech in Canada and I suspect that it will only be a matter of time before it happens here.

Shame.

Personally, I think that that the guy doing this should be forced to pay ten times the cost of all lawyer’s fees and court cost.

Then I think he should be forced to make a public apology to all Christians in particular and all Americans in general for being such a moronic jack-ass.

Then I think we should ship his sorry-ass off to Iran where they don’t have any homosexuals and, therefore, won’t have any homosexual bigotries and he can live out the rest of his days in peace.
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Unfortunately, I think this will become more common place. References to biblical text regarding homosexuality are already considered hate-speech in Canada and I suspect that it will only be a matter of time before it happens here.

Shame.
ROFLMAO

yes - it's always a shame when we can't show our hatred for our fellow man, as Jesus taught us.

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