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Ft. Lauderdale, Florida is about to codify the total disregard for the property rights of the homeless into law. As Scott Keyes writes in Think Progress, the city is close to passing a measure that would prohibit keeping personal items in public. Police would be able to seize personal belongings after a 24-hour notice, but if they decide the materials pose a threat to public safety, health or welfare, officers can take them without prior notice and just leave a note. The city keeps confiscated property for 30 days (7 days if it's deemed a safety risk). Anyone who wants their things back before they're disposed of must prove ownership and compensate the city for its trouble, paying “reasonable charges for storage and removal of the items,” according to the language of the measure (the fee could be waived if they prove they can't pay it).
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The city is just getting started. They're also in the process of crafting legislation that would limit the activities of groups who feed the hungry, ban panhandling at intersections and prohibit sleeping on public property, the Sun Sentinel reports. As advocates for the homeless point out, making it against the law to engage in life-sustaining activities on the street without providing alternatives essentially makes it a crime to be homeless.
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FORT LAUDERDALE — The city is trying to take back its streets — and sidewalks and downtown and parks — from the many homeless people who live here, leaving critics with an unanswered question: What are the homeless to do?

Commissioners gave unanimous preliminary approval Tuesday to two measures, one prohibiting the improper disposal of human waste on public property, the other prohibiting the storage of personal possessions on public property.

Those found guilty of urinating or defecating in public — or improperly disposing of such waste — could face up to a $500 fine and/or up to 60 days in jail. People who leave belongings on public property for more than 24 hours could have the items confiscated. They could have to pay to get them back and the items could be discarded if not picked up within 30 days.
Fort Lauderdale to homeless: Don't go (in public) - Sun Sentinel

Meeting info: https://fortlauderdale.legistar.com/...D-14A4CC16E3CF

Ordnance Details: https://fortlauderdale.legistar.com/...8-682848BCFA28
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(b) Prohibition. It shall be unlawful for any person in the City of Fort Lauderdale to store on any public property an occupant’s personal possessions or property.
(More at the Ordnance detail site)

Sounds like a realistic interpretation of a very real Ordnance proposal.
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I feel bad for homeless people but I am against them stealing shopping carts.
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well looks like they are going to make it hard for food banks to help them and they cant keep any belongings so huh, off with their heads I guess...
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well looks like they are going to make it hard for food banks to help them and they cant keep any belongings so huh, off with their heads I guess...
We will just have to see how this plays out in the courts.
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We will just have to see how this plays out in the courts.
I have to say Florida has not been friendly to drifters for many years and they are probably having a lot of them with the economy there. What poor people in northern states figure is hey if I have to starve at least I dont have to freeze my arse off.
truly and with tourist trade you dont want a bunch of homeless people hangin around. I dont know what the answer is but all warm states have this problem I think.
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If we look closer, what is so unfathomable as to prohibit storing personal property on public property? What if I decided to store a box of socks and my boat downtown Sarasota on the sidewalk? Should I be allowed to keep my old lawn mower indefinitely on city property?
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If we look closer, what is so unfathomable as to prohibit storing personal property on public property? What if I decided to store a box of socks and my boat downtown Sarasota on the sidewalk? Should I be allowed to keep my old lawn mower indefinitely on city property?
Or what if you decided to your cattle there?
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I have to say Florida has not been friendly to drifters for many years and they are probably having a lot of them with the economy there. What poor people in northern states figure is hey if I have to starve at least I dont have to freeze my arse off.
truly and with tourist trade you dont want a bunch of homeless people hangin around. I dont know what the answer is but all warm states have this problem I think.
Wow.
Looking at some of the wording they use here.
It occurred to me "What about people's cars? What's to stop somebody from deciding that a car parked on a public street for over 24 hours is forfeit?"

In the Ordnance:
Public property means any street, alley, sidewalk, pedestrian pathway ...
Store means any action to place, leave, park, locate, or set an item upon the public property for a period of time in excess of twenty-four (24) hours and less than twenty (20) feet from the occupant.
They actually specified "Park" so cars are conceivably game.
But then there's the "less than twenty (20) feet from the occupant", so if a person parks outside and live in the house, that's okay ...
... but if they have to live in the car, suddenly the car is towable.

This is a big ol' F*** you to the homeless.
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well looks like they are going to make it hard for food banks to help them and they cant keep any belongings so huh, off with their heads I guess...
Wasn't it New York a few years ago that forbade Churches from feeding the homeless because they didn't have "certified kitchens? (And we all know how many thousands of people are poisoned at Church potlucks every year.)

As for confiscating their property, part of the reason is probably to encourage them to use the free shelters available. The homeless are frequently the victims of crime, and the streets aren't safe

I've befriended several homeless people over the years. There are two things to bear in mind:

1. Most are criminals, druggies or barking mad.

2. Most are barking mad, druggies, or criminals.
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