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I don't like being hustled on every street corner when driving down in Florida. It was a major problem around St. Pete before the recession hit.
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Wow.
Looking at some of the wording they use here.
It occurred to me "What about people's cars? What's to stop somebody from deciding that a car parked on a public street for over 24 hours is forfeit?"

In the Ordnance:
Public property means any street, alley, sidewalk, pedestrian pathway ...
Store means any action to place, leave, park, locate, or set an item upon the public property for a period of time in excess of twenty-four (24) hours and less than twenty (20) feet from the occupant.
They actually specified "Park" so cars are conceivably game.
But then there's the "less than twenty (20) feet from the occupant", so if a person parks outside and live in the house, that's okay ...
... but if they have to live in the car, suddenly the car is towable.

This is a big ol' F*** you to the homeless.
when my spouse and I were working in georgia some years back we had some long hours and hardly saw each other when we werent just dog tired. I did take lunch with him sometimes tho not often at one of his jobs. Anyway one night he had driven us home in my car and we just sat there in front of our dinky little apartment talking really quietly. well wouldn't you know we were harassed by the police? it was pretty crappy the way they talked to us. and coming from work we didnt exactly look like hoodlums. I was working security and was still in uniform. he was neatly dressed coming from an inside sales job.
I would hate to be like Rachel heavy with child as the Bible says ...or have no people... in times like these...
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Old 04-22-2014, 11:19 PM
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Wasn't it New York a few years ago that forbade Churches from feeding the homeless because they didn't have "certified kitchens? (And we all know how many thousands of people are poisoned at Church potlucks every year.)

As for confiscating their property, part of the reason is probably to encourage them to use the free shelters available. The homeless are frequently the victims of crime, and the streets aren't safe

I've befriended several homeless people over the years. There are two things to bear in mind:

1. Most are criminals, druggies or barking mad.

2. Most are barking mad, druggies, or criminals.
I never heard that tho I am not saying it might not be true. But most places have special laws allowing giving food to the poor. its mostly corps that want the tax write off or dont want to fool with them.
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Old 04-22-2014, 11:23 PM
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also, OC in the eighties there were a lot of families homeless. seemed like they were all in the parking lot at my work when I lived in Houston but have run into a lot of folks who after they got to know us well enough admitted they had their 'homeless period' around that time.
yes there are mentally ill but I have also run in to women leaving abuse and entire families in the nineties just one thing or another like an increase in a major bill or illness and they are no longer one paycheck away from it.
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I fully understand Florida's position on this. We had to pass a similar law here in Anchorage to stop the homeless drunks from turning wooded areas in the city into garbage dumps. They would leave their "camp", usually surrounded by booze bottles, garbage, and feces, to go begging for the day and return to get drunk or stoned. People with houses near these areas saw there values drop, crime rates rise, constantly cleaning up the garbage thrown on their property, and more than a few threats when trying to chase them off their property.

Why should anybody be able to store their stuff on public property without permission? If I start storing my boat trailer and snowmobiles at the park up the street, I suspect the city will be more than happy to confiscate them.
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Looking at some of the wording they use here.
It occurred to me "What about people's cars? What's to stop somebody from deciding that a car parked on a public street for over 24 hours is forfeit?"
Whats the problem? It isn't uncommon at all for a city to have an ordinace limiting the amount of time you can leave a car on public streets. Here in Anchorage it's been the law for as long as I can remember, any car that is parked on the street (without moving) for more than 24hrs can be ticketed and/or towed.
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Why should anybody be able to store their stuff on public property without permission? If I start storing my boat trailer and snowmobiles at the park up the street, I suspect the city will be more than happy to confiscate them.
and cattle, dont forget you shouldn't be allowed to store your cattle on someone else's land
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and cattle, dont forget you shouldn't be allowed to store your cattle on someone else's land
Unless of course you have grazing rights to that land dating back to the 1800's, land that the federal gov't shouldn't even control, land that should have been turned over to the state generations ago.

Any more amazingly stupid comparisons you would like to make?
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Unless of course you have grazing rights to that land dating back to the 1800's, land that the federal gov't shouldn't even control, land that should have been turned over to the state generations ago.

Any more amazingly stupid comparisons you would like to make?
It's been established his family only moved there in I think it was the 40s. You'll have to look it up but yeah the whole 1800s mormon trail thing was totally bogus.
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It's been established his family only moved there in I think it was the 40s.
What you don't seem to understand and likely never will is that it doesn't matter if he moved there yesterday.
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