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Civil Rights & Abortion Discuss Hawaii Senate passes gay marriage bill at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by Joe Shoe If there was significant contention about first amendment application to churches and cars in the ...

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If there was significant contention about first amendment application to churches and cars in the same way there is for schools and other civic examples, perhaps such phrases WOULD exist.
What is the contention REALLY about?
Is it about the capability for a student to pray in school?
My favorite phrase for the issue is that as long as teachers give tests, there will always be prayer in school. It is not prayer in school which is the significant issue. There is no real effort to try to prevent students from praying in school of their own accord.

Many religious leaders want to have teachers and school officials LEAD prayer. THAT is the issue of contention.

Now, if we had a similar situation (like an employer or having to pray to Jesus before entering the DMV), then THAT would be a relevant analogy.

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Regardless, YOU'RE the one who used "school prayer", not me. I said "school-SPONSORED prayer" which more aptly describes what we're talking about.
MOST people use "school prayer" to describe the issue.
Your personal demand that people use a different phrase doesn't really concern me.

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I don't really CARE which you think should be more widely used. I used the longer term to make a point of emphasis.
Quibble much?
Not "what should be more widely used".
What IS more widely used.

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Foundit, I'm not "balking" at anything here. Again I'm just making sure the RIGHT things get emphasized. Call it "school prayer" all you want, I don't really care that much about your phraseology. Stop being so narcissistic in assuming everything is about things YOU are doing.
So why are you arguing?
If you truly do not care, why are you still arguing?

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Again, there's nothing relevant there. You are welcome to actually MAKE an argument if you want.
Again, you didn't answer the question.
You claiming "nothing relevant" only emphasizes there is no point in me repeating what you refused to acknowledge last time around.
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