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"5 socially moderate law professors"
Kindly document this claim that the 5 law professors involved were "socially moderate"...
Looks like someone didn't read the article, LOL!
"Five noted law professors told Hawaii lawmakers this week they agree SB 1 will infringe on religious liberties, and the bill should be amended. While the professors expressed support for same-sex marriage ...."
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I have this odd feeling that life will go on as normal in Hawaii, just like on every other state that has legalized same-sex marriage.

Just a hunch.
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"Five noted law professors told Hawaii lawmakers this week they agree SB 1 will infringe on religious liberties, and the bill should be amended. While the professors expressed support for same-sex marriage ...."
I saw that. But it doesn't justify the claim.
How does that make them "socially moderate"?

As I pointed out (and predictably you refused to address ) the one law professor they referenced was clearly VERY PRO religious protection. Looking at the case description I would classify to the extreme of giving religion special privileges.
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I saw that. But it doesn't justify the claim.
How does that make them "socially moderate"?
Being for gay marriage is, at the very least, a moderate position. Not sure how this can be any plainer. Or it could a liberal one. It's sure as hell not a socially conservative one.
Are you just in disagree-with-anything-and-everything mode today?
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Being for gay marriage is, at the very least, a moderate position. Not sure how this can be any plainer. Or it could a liberal one. It's sure as hell not a socially conservative one.
How is their view on "gay marriage" relevant to whether or not they are biased on the issue of religious protections / special privileges?
Answer: They are not.
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How is their view on "gay marriage" relevant to whether or not they are biased on the issue of religious protections / special privileges?
Answer: They are not.
I agree, they are not biased. It doesn't stand to reason they'd be biased toward religious protections when they are socially moderate folks.
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I agree, they are not biased.
Wow. You really can't help yourself but misrepresent / misread things incessantly.
I explicitly demonstrated how the ONLY professor the article actually named WAS biased.

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It doesn't stand to reason they'd be biased toward religious protections when they are socially moderate folks.
I swear. The lack of logical thought you demonstrate is comical.
And what you just did is EXACTLY what I was arguing against earlier.

You are claiming: for gay marriage => socially moderate => not biased towards religious protections.
If you want to label somebody socially moderate just because they are for gay marriage that is one thing.
But pretending that they can't be biased towards protecting religion just because they are for gay marriage doesn't stand up to reason. There is no intelligible link between the two.

Especially since I demonstrated the only professor they named is clearly biased for religious protection / special privilege.
Did you even bother to look at the link I gave?
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You are claiming: for gay marriage => socially moderate => not biased towards religious protections.
If you want to label somebody socially moderate just because they are for gay marriage that is one thing.
But pretending that they can't be biased towards protecting religion just because they are for gay marriage doesn't stand up to reason. There is no intelligible link between the two.
Get real. Most people that are for gay marriage just aren't likely to be on the biased-toward-(what-you-consider)-too-much-religious-freedom kick. Look, this isn't rocket science. It's sort of like saying a person who is pro-abortion would likely be anti-sodomy or something. I'm not going to say such odd-ball ideological combinations don't exist out there, but surely you would agree they would be few and far between.
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Get real. Most people that are for gay marriage just aren't likely to be on the biased-toward-(what-you-consider)-too-much-religious-freedom kick.
"Most people" => not all people.
And as I've already explained and documented, the one law professor they note is clearly biased for religious exemptions / special privilege.

You're trying to refute something I've proven with facts by throwing out assumptions.

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Look, this isn't rocket science. It's sort of like saying a person who is pro-abortion would likely be anti-sodomy or something. I'm not going to say such odd-ball ideological combinations don't exist out there, but surely you would agree they would be few and far between.
Again, did you even bother to look at the evidence I gave.
Whether you want to call him an "odd-ball" is irrelevant. Quite frankly as society continues to change, what you label as "odd-ball" will be a role reversal as the pro-gay marriage opinion continues to grow.

I gave evidence documenting that he is as I described and NOT as you described.
This guy (at least in part) makes a living off of presenting religious "freedom" cases consistently fighting for religion.
And there are obvious examples in his repertoire which lean towards religious special privilege.
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"Most people" => not all people.
And as I've already explained and documented, the one law professor they note is clearly biased for religious exemptions / special privilege.
Reading the wikipedia article, how do you conclude his view is for religious "special privilege"? All but one of the cases he argued he won--validating his positions.
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