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Old 06-25-2013, 05:04 PM
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I've been thinking about the Prop 8 case, and the decision that's coming out tomorrow. The primary thrust of the argument of those who support Prop 8 is that "It's about the children.". And that argument wasn't made just before the Court, but is being made in the political field.

I get it. Fine. Marriage is about children.

It still doesn't justify a limitation of marriage to heterosexuals.

Look, if the primary thrust of marriage is children, then marriage SHOULD be extended to everyone who is raising children. That means same-sex parents as well.

You cannot, logically, say that marriage is about children and then assert that because marriage is about children, it cannot be extended to homosexuals.

In fact, it was conservative Justice Anthony Kennedy that pointed out that nearly 40,000 children in California were being raised by same-sex parents.

Don't tell me that marriage is about children if you aren't going to make marriage about children.

Don't tell me that marriage is about children if you are going to let people who can't have children get married.

Don't tell me that marriage is about children if you are not going to force people who have children to get married.

Don't tell me that marriage is about children if you are not going to prevent people who have children from getting divorced.

Don't tell me that marriage is about children if you are not extend marriage to same-sex parents. Gay people have children too. Be it through adoption, prior relationships, artificial insemination, or surrogacy, gay people are raising children. If marriage is truly about the children then make it available to same-sex parents. Allow them to have the legal protections and benefits to create a stable loving home for the children. Civil unions don't do that... Only marriage does.

It is about the children. This is why same-sex marriage is a MUST if we intend to continue to view marriage as about creating stable families in which children can be raised.
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Marriage has never been about children. It is about the union between a man and a woman for exclusive rights to each other. He answers to her, she answers to him, and they answer to no other. I am not concerned about "same sex" unions, except I don't call them "marriage."
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Marriage has never been about children. It is about the union between a man and a woman for exclusive rights to each other. He answers to her, she answers to him, and they answer to no other. I am not concerned about "same sex" unions, except I don't call them "marriage."
Then by what logical reason do you have to limit the word marriage to heterosexual couples?
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Then by what logical reason do you have to limit the word marriage to heterosexual couples?
When same sex couples can engage in coitus, the insertion of the penis into the vagina, then it can be called marriage. Relax. I'm not a crusader for word use. If I were homosexual, I would not call my mate, "husband" or "wife". The whole thing is moot. But I did state that children have nothing to do with the marriage of a man and a woman. A simple union can accomplish their arrival, biologically, between the partners.
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When same sex couples can engage in coitus, the insertion of the penis into the vagina, then it can be called marriage. Relax. I'm not a crusader for word use. If I were homosexual, I would not call my mate, "husband" or "wife". The whole thing is moot. But I did state that children have nothing to do with the marriage of a man and a woman. A simple union can accomplish their arrival, biologically, between the partners.
Since when is marriage about penises and vaginas?
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Since when is marriage about penises and vaginas?
When I say it is.

Anyway, I said the word "marriage" applies to that, not the union. Do you want your sexual organs called penis and testicles? How would it sound if a doctor said to you, "I need to examine your penis, ma'am."
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When I say it is.

Anyway, I said the word "marriage" applies to that, not the union. Do you want your sexual organs called penis and testicles? How would it sound if a doctor said to you, "I need to examine your penis, ma'am."
No... the word coitus applies to that... Marriage is something else.
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When I say it is.

Anyway, I said the word "marriage" applies to that, not the union.
So the term marriage is all about penises sticking into vaginas?

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Do you want your sexual organs called penis and testicles? How would it sound if a doctor said to you, "I need to examine your penis, ma'am."
How would that possibly harm you if she did?
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So the term marriage is all about penises sticking into vaginas?



How would that possibly harm you if she did?
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Actually, Manitou is correct from a historical perspective--historically, intercourse and marriage were very much connected. That's why marriages used be able to be annulled if they hadn't been consummated.
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