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Old 06-21-2013, 04:28 PM
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Yes, they are requiring a letter from a church that is against all violence saying that she joined, so she DOES have to do something other than assert a conscientious objection to taking up arms.

Are you saying that atheists don't have the right to object to having their kids vaccinated OR object to killing for country? Wouldn't that make atheists LESSER citizens? Does the law NOT protect atheists?
There has to be criteria to ensure a person seriously objects to that part of the oath. The argument is moot because since she wrote a letter stating her reasons--and raised a ruckus about it-- they waived her in.
Rules are there for a reason.
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There has to be criteria to ensure a person seriously objects to that part of the oath. The argument is moot because since she wrote a letter stating her reasons--and raised a ruckus about it-- they waived her in.
Rules are there for a reason.
Should it be a religious criteria? Atheists can have morals, too.
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There has to be criteria to ensure a person seriously objects to that part of the oath. The argument is moot because since she wrote a letter stating her reasons--and raised a ruckus about it-- they waived her in.
Rules are there for a reason.
If this was truly about sincerity, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

She wasn't told "You aren't sincere, so you are rejected"
She was told "...officials responded by telling her that she needed to prove that her status as a conscientious objector was due to religious beliefs."
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There has to be criteria to ensure a person seriously objects to that part of the oath. The argument is moot because since she wrote a letter stating her reasons--and raised a ruckus about it-- they waived her in.
Rules are there for a reason.
Why does that need to be "ensured"? Isn't their say so enough? And why does that criteria need to be religious in nature?
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Margaret Doughty, a 64-year-old British atheist, finally had her U.S. citizenship application approved on Thursday, following a kerfuffle with U.S. immigration officials in which she was told she needed to be religious in order to be a conscientious objector. The U.S. citizenship oath process requires applicants to respond either that they would fight for one’s country or to provide proof of one’s inability to bear arms, due to disability or religious belief.
Woman Was Almost Denied Citizenship For Being Atheist | ThinkProgress
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