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Old 05-07-2013, 09:14 PM
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Just as my generation is the last generation to remember rotary phones, life before cell phones and the internet, reality tv being limited to documentaries and game shows (PRESS YOUR LUCK!), we are also the last generation to come out into a world without same-sex marriage.

As with all things, change is good and bad. I'm sure there are those (waiting for Joe Shoe's appearance in this thread) who see marriage extended to same-sex couples as a bad thing. I firmly believe these individuals are not only on the wrong side of history, but lack a reasonable/logical leg to stand on.

There are those fringe individuals who believe that marriage, all marriage, is archaic and unnecessary. This position is firmly rejected by the majority of society.

Marriage IS important. It's trite, but people say that they don't need some document to reaffirm their love for one another. That may be true. But marriage is more than love. Marriage is an institution. Marriage creates a legal status and social status that has corresponding rights and responsibilities.

Marriage is about the people who enter into it. It is about creating a legal entity that protects the relationship. It's about ensuring that the person you love can make all the decisions for you if necessary. It's about the person you love being first in line to your belongings should you die. It's about stability and certainty. Life without marriage lacks this certainty. No matter how well prepared you think you are, or how strong your planning is, all of that can still be challenged without marriage.

Marriage is also about a social relationship. It creates a bond that, generally speaking, is respected by the public. If you're just dating someone, seeing other people isn't a big deal (socially). It becomes a big deal if you're married. It creates a perception that these two individuals are a unit.

Marriage is also about children. "Traditional" (what a laughable term) marriage is supposedly about procreation and child rearing. It is a responsibility to the child. Maybe this is true in certain respects. Certainly people get married and remain married because they have children together. However, marriage is NOT a prerequisite to breeding. You don't have to have a license to have kids, you do have to have a license to be married. So if having children were the ultimate goal of marriage, you'd figure we'd be licensing child birth first.

But procreation is not the only way families are formed. Adoption, foster parenting, surrogacy and artificial insemination are other methods people use to form a family. If children really are the focus of marriage, then their parents, the ones who will raise them, should be married. That INCLUDES, not EXCLUDES same-sex couples.

I see a shift in the way people are thinking about marriage for same-sex couples. They are starting to finally see that ALL of the important factors of marriage are equally found in same-sex couples.

In 2004, when Massachusetts became the first state to recognize marriage between same-sex couples, it was the start of a growing trend. We waited FOUR years before California started same-sex marriage. And though California is still in limbo (we should see the decision from SCOTUS in June or so), that was the last time we waited so long to see progress.

In 2009, Iowa, Vermont, Connecticut, and D.C. joined equality. In 2010, New Hampshire, and the blocks continue to fall.

Maryland, Washington, Maine, and New York passed same-sex marriage. And NOW, in less than a week, Delaware and Rhode Island have committed to equality.

There are nine other states that show promise in continuing the trend: Illinois, New Jersey, Minnesota, Hawaii, Michigan, Oregon, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico. It is likely that California will be back in the marriage column soon. It is also likely that part, if not all, of DOMA will be struck as unconstitutional.

We are surely living in exciting times. Not every generation gets to see such a significant shift.
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Just rewatched "Lincoln". Would that we had that kind of fire and emotion for our beliefs (and a few post office jobs ).
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We are surely living in exciting times. Not every generation gets to see such a significant shift.
The last Romans, Athenians, Spartans, Carthaginians, Babylonians, and Aztecs saw times like these. Lucky us. But at lease well go down with some people briefly accepting a perverted view of marriage.
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The last Romans, Athenians, Spartans, Carthaginians, Babylonians, and Aztecs saw times like these. Lucky us. But at lease well go down with some people briefly accepting a perverted view of marriage.
Logical disconnect and false history.

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Wow... Minnesota expected to change over to marriage equality tomorrow with the Governor's signature. Amazing!

I didn't expect it to be a less than a week later.
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Wow... Minnesota expected to change over to marriage equality tomorrow with the Governor's signature. Amazing!

I didn't expect it to be a less than a week later.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/us...iage.html?_r=0

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“In my heart of hearts, I know that today love wins,” State Senator Tony Lourey, a Democrat, said Monday during a tense, often personal debate before the vote. Hundreds of people on both sides of the issue packed the halls of the Capitol here, chanting, cheering and waving signs with clashing messages — “Don’t Erase Moms and Dads” and “Marriage Equality, You Betcha.”

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“Where does this stop?” said State Senator Torrey Westrom, a Republican. This choice, he said, will send Minnesota “down that road of taking mother and father out of our recognition of what our children need.”
Still it is an historic landmark in civil rights.
Congratulations, America!
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Children need a male father and a female mother to make a family. But, aside from that, this issue brings to my mind a group of people arguing about what is going to be served for dinner - white or red wine - and they are on a life raft in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
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