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Since so many of you pro-choicers are supposedly now against late term abortion, does that mean you'd support a federal ban against it?
I don't support federal bans against hardly anything at all. So no.
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I can't help but think the "state's rights" rejoinder is ironic here...



Exactly.
You know what makes me laugh?

Gosnell used his abortion clinic to murder infants. The right wing say's "Outlaw abortion".

If he'd used a gun...............well, you can guess their response.
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Why would the time span make any difference?
Because over time people have started going on record as being against late term abortion, and states have made it illegal, over time.
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I can't help but think the "state's rights" rejoinder is ironic here...
I just asked a question. I didn't CALL FOR such bans. Calm down.
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First, I'm waiting on my apology.
Don't expect you to give it. I expect more of this boring obfuscation.
You said: "But you've basically admitted there is no evidence against other abortionist that you'll even consider as valid. ever."

I never said that.
I never said anything to imply that.

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Found 1st you ask for proof of one thing.
I said 'ill be back'
then you said that I would be 'DISHONEST' if i didn't understand that you MEANT... 'stats' and a whole lot of other stuff.
You said MORE than just 'ill be back'.
That MORE that you said is what I was responding to.

Furthermore, the "whole lot of other stuff" is the actual context of ALL the discussions I have been having with you.

Like I said, I NEVER claimed there were NO other Gosnells.
That was YOUR STRAWMAN context...

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so you called me a liar before i even answered.
HERE is where I responded.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/civ...tml#post547012
Show me WHERE in that post I called you a liar or dishonest.

You keep making up crap and misattributing context. It gets REALLY old...

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when i point Out EXACTLY what you said you try to spin it. and clarify what cat meant as well.
Are you freakin' kidding me?
I am quoting what we said to document what we said.
There is no "spin" here.


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Look, fine i'm done. Just know, i didn't make up jack.
Bull****
YOU SAID: "But you've basically admitted there is no evidence against other abortionist that you'll even consider as valid. ever."

I never said that.
I never said anything implying that.

You DID make that up.
I have also clearly explained where I would accept "evidence".
I CLEARLY SAID that if you showed evidence of another Gosnell, I would accept that you have shown evidence of another Gosnell.
CLEARLY REFUTING your false claim.

But again, you balk and whine and mewl and there is no apology...
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Because over time people have started going on record as being against late term abortion, and states have made it illegal, over time.
Late term abortion wasn't an issue in the '70's. It didn't become the darling of the right wing until the Reagan and Bush administrations turned it from a medical issue into a political hot potato.

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Because over time people have started going on record as being against late term abortion, and states have made it illegal, over time.
I've already documented to you if my memory serves that the opinions of the American populace HAVE NOT changed over time.
The EXACT SAME PERCENTAGES (with only mild variance) can be seen supporting / opposing / etc various positions over decades.

This "over time people have started going on record" is nonsense.
These opinions have always been there


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I just asked a question. I didn't CALL FOR such bans. Calm down.
Once again, you ignore my point with some lame jab at how you imagine my emotional state.
You're avoiding the point.
The right is supposed to be FOR "states' rights" => ergo no federal law should be enacted.
Except, this is obviously for something THEY approve of so the right will happily be hypocritical, if allowed the opportunity.
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Because over time people have started going on record as being against late term abortion, and states have made it illegal, over time.
BTW...since when is a womans medical needs subject to popular opinion?



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I'd like to pause for a moment and get a show of hands.

How many people here, besides me, know a woman who has undergone a 'late term abortion'.

By 'late term abortion' I mean in the third trimester?

Hands please?
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Since I was just having a conversation with catus about serial killers, this fits in nicely...

PJ Media is starting a tip line where reporters, who believe the story should be news but are getting struck down by the higher-ups (while they continue to gush over the Jodi Arias trial ) can whistleblow their bosses anonymously...

TIP LINE: Did Your Editor Spike Kermit Gosnell Coverage? Report It Here Anonymously

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Few Americans can not answer this question: who is the worst domestic mass murderer in United States’ history? Due to the United States media, most are aware that Timothy McVeigh slaughtered 168 people with a bomb in 1995.

Most Americans also know the names of our three most monstrous serial killers: “The Green River Killer” Gary Ridgeway, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy. The U.S. media is again responsible for the general awareness of these men; these stories deserved — and received — national attention due to our common interest in personal safety, the rule of law, and the character of our nation.

Informing the public about these four killers was — morally and professionally — the proper judgment.

For the past few weeks, a man has been on trial who, according to testimony, is likely to surpass Ridgeway as the U.S. serial killer with the highest body count, and he may surpass McVeigh as the worst mass murderer as well. Ridgeway is suspected of more than 90 murders and he was convicted of 41. This man stands trial for murdering eight — however, testimony puts the number at more than 100.


Further: the other four mentioned above primarily murdered adults. Only one murdered children. Indeed, a significant portion of the revulsion the country will forever direct towards McVeigh involves the 19 children at a daycare center who were killed by his bomb.

After being apprehended, McVeigh told investigators he did not know there was a daycare center in the building — and that if he had known, “it might have given [him] pause to switch targets.”

Even McVeigh perhaps thought the murder of children to be beyond the pale.

The man currently on trial?

He almost exclusively murdered children.


To compound the enormity of the event as a news story: the man did not act alone. Several others, who are also being prosecuted, aided him in the murder of perhaps more than 100 babies.

In an immoral, unprofessional, bizarre — surely, several other negative descriptors are apt — display of unity, virtually the entire U.S. media industry save for those generally referred to as “conservative outlets” have instituted a blackout of the trial.

Infanticide — the crime that gave even Timothy McVeigh pause — is a left/right issue for your employer?

The media behavior regarding the trial of monster Kermit Gosnell is a turning point: with all of conservative media’s complaints regarding the liberal bias of U.S. media, we never imagined this could happen.

We know there are journalists out there infuriated by their employer’s current behavior: The change must start with you.


We are looking for whistleblowers: if you have any information regarding why your employer is not covering the Gosnell trial, please submit it here. Your anonymity will be protected.
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