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The bald eagle will continue to be protected by the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act even though it has been delisted under the Endangered Species Act. This law, originally passed in 1940, provides for the protection of the bald eagle and the golden eagle (as amended in 1962) by prohibiting the take, possession, sale, purchase, barter, offer to sell, purchase or barter, transport, export or import, of any bald or golden eagle, alive or dead, including any part, nest, or egg, unless allowed by permit Bald Eagle sitting in tree (16 U.S.C. 668(a); 50 CFR 22). "Take" includes pursue, shoot, shoot at, poison, wound, kill, capture, trap, collect, molest or disturb (16 U.S.C. 668c; 50 CFR 22.3). The 1972 amendments increased civil penalties for violating provisions of the Act to a maximum fine of $5,000 or one year imprisonment with $10,000 or not more than two years in prison for a second conviction. Felony convictions carry a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years of imprisonment. The fine doubles for an organization. Rewards are provided for information leading to arrest and conviction for violation of the Act.
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OK so it's illegal to destroy an eagle egg .
but it's legal to kill human in the womb.
Seems t me there's something wrong with this picture but OK

A word from the Eagle Egg abortion advocate:

An Eagle egg can't even fly or think and doesn't look like a an ADULT eagle why should it get the SAME protections?
It can't be EQUAL, that'd be stupid and Ig'rant. What were these law makers thinking? Probably stinking MEN!!! who should have NO say anyway, what do they know about eggs!!
Don't they know that Eagle eggs are not sentient? Flys are more aware than Eagle eggs, we kill them RIGHT?
Don't they know that they shouldn't be protected until they are out of the shell (some of my abort egg friends say, the nest) .
Until then they are fair game to any poacher, hunter or cook.
THEY AREN'T EAGLES, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE SCIENCE SAYS! OR THE LAW SAYS! SO WHAT!

And lot of the young eaglets KILL EACH OTHER in the NEST!!! Why aren't they out in the nest STOPPING THAT?! HUh HUH? If they are SO **** concerned. You see they don't really mean to protect eagles, they really don't care. If they did they'd be there stopping those "murders" of the poor lil eaglets. 100's die ever year . But Noo it's, 'the Eggs we can't touch the precious eggs',. the Hypocrisy is unbelievable my mind cannot fathom how they can't see it. will they vote support the young eagles habitat? I think NOT.

Stream is Not water, and Ice is Not water either. I know what the science says. But if you can't drink it's not real water.

how can i talk to such ijots.
Eggs worth the same punishment as adult eagles, Nonsense.
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Well to be a bit more detailed in my response to the Eagle egg protection fact. I have to mention that it is a Federal Crime to harm a Fetus at ANY stage of development when committing certain crimes.
And it recognizes the FetusEmbryoChild as a human being( not a FEZ btw).

And Also that 35 or 36 States have laws against feticide or Homicide of the unborn.
The problem comes in that the laws are not consistent in protecting unborn Children. so far at least.

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The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), 1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) 919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on Federal properties, against certain Federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

Because of principles of federalism embodied in the United States Constitution, Federal criminal law does not apply to crimes prosecuted by the individual states. However, 36 states also recognize the fetus or "unborn child" as a crime victim, at least for purposes of homicide or feticide....[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn...f_Violence_Act
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Federal Laws that Protect Bald Eagles
Federal Laws to Protect Bald Eagles

OK so it's illegal to destroy an eagle egg .
but it's legal to kill human in the womb.
Seems t me there's something wrong with this picture but OK

A word from the Eagle Egg abortion advocate:

An Eagle egg can't even fly or think and doesn't look like a an ADULT eagle why should it get the SAME protections?
It can't be EQUAL, that'd be stupid and Ig'rant. What were these law makers thinking? Probably stinking MEN!!! who should have NO say anyway, what do they know about eggs!!
Don't they know that Eagle eggs are not sentient? Flys are more aware than Eagle eggs, we kill them RIGHT?
Don't they know that they shouldn't be protected until they are out of the shell (some of my abort egg friends say, the nest) .
Until then they are fair game to any poacher, hunter or cook.
THEY AREN'T EAGLES, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE SCIENCE SAYS! OR THE LAW SAYS! SO WHAT!

And lot of the young eaglets KILL EACH OTHER in the NEST!!! Why aren't they out in the nest STOPPING THAT?! HUh HUH? If they are SO **** concerned. You see they don't really mean to protect eagles, they really don't care. If they did they'd be there stopping those "murders" of the poor lil eaglets. 100's die ever year . But Noo it's, 'the Eggs we can't touch the precious eggs',. the Hypocrisy is unbelievable my mind cannot fathom how they can't see it. will they vote support the young eagles habitat? I think NOT.

Stream is Not water, and Ice is Not water either. I know what the science says. But if you can't drink it's not real water.

how can i talk to such ijots.
Eggs worth the same punishment as adult eagles, Nonsense.
Of course they're not equal. Of course they're not the same thing. But eagles are endangered and we need to help their reproduction, not harm it. If humans were on the brink of extinction, I'd probably feel the same about a human zef.

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Are human beings in danger of extinction? No. Are bald eagles? Yes.
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For women, the ability to control the number and spacing of your children is fundamental. It's nearly impossible to overstate just how crucial that right is: without it, we simply don't have the same prospects and abilities to live full, free lives. It's no coincidence that the dual rights to abortion and birth control ushered in some of the most profound cultural shifts in human history.

While gender equality is far from perfectly realized, women today have more rights and opportunities than ever before. We go to college and most graduate schools at the same rates as men, and are increasingly present in high-paying jobs. We are better able to leave abusive marriages and relationships. We're healthier, and so are our children child mortality has greatly decreased, and a low child mortality rate is directly tied to reproductive healthcare and reproductive rights.

Reliable birth control and access to abortion means that we can pursue an education and work to build a stable career before getting married and reproducing and the marriages that come later in life between two highly-educated people are by far the most stable. Among couples who have children, those who plan the pregnancies are happier than those who don't.

Between 1970 and 2009, child mortality around the world fell by half, which is largely attributable to women being better-educated and better able to make their own reproductive decisions. In the US, along with Roe came safer and earlier abortions; emergency rooms are no longer lined with women injured by illegal terminations, and abortion is now one of the safest medical procedures a woman can have.

Roe v Wade at 40: what*American women owe to abortion rights | Jill Filipovic | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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Of course they're not equal. Of course they're not the same thing. But eagles are endangered and we need to help their reproduction, not harm it. If humans were on the brink of extinction, I'd probably feel the same about a human zef.

Try again.
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Are human beings in danger of extinction? No. Are bald eagles? Yes.
uhh, No

"The bald eagle will continue to be protected by the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act even though it has been delisted under the Endangered Species Act. "

rivrrat Try again.
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I don't know why you are concerned about bald eagle eggs. Omlettes?
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uhh, No

"The bald eagle will continue to be protected by the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act even though it has been delisted under the Endangered Species Act. "

rivrrat Try again.
That doesn't mean they aren't endangered.

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For women, the ability to control the number and spacing of your children is fundamental. It's nearly impossible to overstate just how crucial that right is: without it, we simply don't have the same prospects and abilities to live full, free lives. It's no coincidence that the dual rights to abortion and birth control ushered in some of the most profound cultural shifts in human history.

While gender equality is far from perfectly realized, women today have more rights and opportunities than ever before. We go to college and most graduate schools at the same rates as men, and are increasingly present in high-paying jobs. We are better able to leave abusive marriages and relationships. We're healthier, and so are our children – child mortality has greatly decreased, and a low child mortality rate is directly tied to reproductive healthcare and reproductive rights.

Reliable birth control and access to abortion means that we can pursue an education and work to build a stable career before getting married and reproducing – and the marriages that come later in life between two highly-educated people are by far the most stable. Among couples who have children, those who plan the pregnancies are happier than those who don't.

Between 1970 and 2009, child mortality around the world fell by half, which is largely attributable to women being better-educated and better able to make their own reproductive decisions. In the US, along with Roe came safer and earlier abortions; emergency rooms are no longer lined with women injured by illegal terminations, and abortion is now one of the safest medical procedures a woman can have.

Roe v Wade at 40: what*American women owe to abortion rights | Jill Filipovic | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
SKy I don't have a problem with most of what you just said.
Except that Abortion does NOT need to be part of the Picture.
And the fact that the child mortality numbers you cite don't included the millions aborted world wide, mostly female BTW.
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This is all the more reason that Mr. Wonder shouldn't get an abortion and why he should take any female supporters of his that are child bearing age to fertility clinics and get them impregnated before those embryos are trashed.

Right?

Or maybe he is just pushing a do as I think others should do policy.
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