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Old 01-17-2013, 06:24 PM
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Would you say the same if someone wanted to be euthanized by the state because they were a guitar player and lost the fingers on one hand and now fear of living a life without being able to play?...

That's the problem...

It's NOT denying another person the freedom of choice and control over their own life, death, and destiny...

It's the STATE (In this case, Belgium) DECIDING the freedom of choice and control over their own life, death, and destiny...
The state is deciding nothing except whether or not to assist. The freedom of choice and control lies with the individual.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:25 PM
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People should be perfectly free to choose death for whatever reason they ****ing want.


But the STATE has NO OBLIGATION to be involved in it...

"I want to be dead, but I don't want to be the one that performs any procedure for making me dead...I'd rather have the STATE do it"

That's BS IMO...Yes
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:28 PM
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My discomfort in this matter is with the medical "professionals", not the government or the two men.

I don't like the idea of someone taking their own life with our without assistance, but my dislike is not reason to deny them the choice.

The difficult part for me comes with a medical professional IN THIS CASE performing euthanasia. It seems to me that euthanasia as palliative care for non-life threatening diseases violates medical ethics.
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Would you say the same if someone wanted to be euthanized by the state because they were a guitar player and lost the fingers on one hand and now fear of living a life without being able to play?...
It's their choice. I would think they are selfish pricks with no concept of how valuable every breath we draw is but it would still be their choice.

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That's the problem...

It's NOT denying another person the freedom of choice and control over their own life, death, and destiny...

It's the STATE (In this case, Belgium) DECIDING the freedom of choice and control over their own life, death, and destiny...
I don't see how the state is deciding any more than Smith and Wesson would be deciding if the prick used a bullet to the head to end himself.

I think the difference between you and me is that I don't see the State as a personality. It's a machine to me and it operates under guidelines. It has no morality, no ethics, charity or sin. It just is.

It doesn't decide, it doesn't desire, it doesn't hate or favor in the human sense of the words. It just is and it does without grace or remorse.
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But the STATE has NO OBLIGATION to be involved in it...

"I want to be dead, but I don't want to be the one that performs any procedure for making me dead...I'd rather have the STATE do it"

That's BS IMO...Yes
What does the state have to do with it? We're talking about a hospital. And why shouldn't they have the legal choice to engage a medical professional to assist them in their suicide?
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Meanwhile take away their guns because they might kill themselves . . .
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This particular case is disgusting. Turns my stomach.
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Just because I think they made a crappy decision doesn't mean I don't think they have a right to make it.

It makes me sad, though.
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On a personal level, I think they made the wrong choice. A lot of moral, spiritual and humane reasons for them to continue on, have hope and live.
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And on the next level, the gov't and doctors stepping in to DO the deed LEGALLY is evil.
It's Murder ,simple as that.
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It makes the world a much darker and unsafe place when together Drs and gov'ts are promoting euthanasia as an answer to problems.
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And the thought of giving a CHILD the choice of euthanasia is insanely wicked.
Irrelevant. Nobody ever mentioned children. Red herring.
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There's a chance (remote as it is) that either or/both of them could've gone blind and STILL led happy or productive lives...To give them a chance to deny that opportunity to know and say "Do it before we find out." just sounds too premature for me...
Agreed. I would have tried to talk them out of it, and personally I would not have helped them, but I might have pointed them to someone who would. But I wouldn't judge someone else for helping them, nor would I judge them.
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Irrelevant. Nobody ever mentioned children. Red herring.
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"Other jurisdictions where it is permitted include Luxembourg and the U.S. state of Oregon.
Just days after the twins were killed Belgium's ruling Socialists tabled a legal amendment which would allow the euthanasia of children and Alzheimer's sufferers.
The draft legislation calls for 'the law to be extended to minors if they are capable of discernment or affected by an incurable illness or suffering that we cannot alleviate.'
The proposed changes are likely to be approved by other parties, although no date has yet been put forward for a parliamentary debate."
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