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From a first amendment perspective, I do not care one way or the other. The company and high-ranking officials are free to do as they please, as long as said actions are legal.

From a gay rights supporter and perspective, good for them.

Chick-Fil-A Agrees To Cease Funding To Anti-Gay Organizations, Chicago LGBT Group Claims

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Could Chick-fil-A be turning over a new leaf?

A Chicago-based lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) advocacy group reports that the restaurant chain -- which was at the epicenter of a media firestorm this summer after its president confirmed his company's anti-gay stance -- has agreed to cease donations to right-wing groups that oppose same-sex marriage.

In a press release, the Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA) cites Chicago Alderman Proco "Joe" Moreno as confirming that Chick-fil-A officials declared in an internal document that the company "will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation." TCRA reportedly served as an advisor to the alderman as he negotiated these concessions with Chick-fil-A executives, though details of exactly what those negotiations entailed remain unclear.

"We are very pleased with this outcome and thank Alderman Moreno for his work on this issue,” Anthony Martinez, executive director of TCRA, said in the statement. “I think the most substantive part of this outcome is that Chick-fil-A has ceased donating to organizations that promote discrimination, specifically against LGBT civil rights. It has taken months of discussion, both with our organization and with the Alderman, for Chick-fil-A to come forward with these concessions and we feel this is a strong step forward for Chick-fil-A and the LGBT community, although it is only a step.”

Said to be titled "Chick-fil-A: Who We Are," the fast food chain's "internal memo" reportedly states that they will "treat every person with honor, dignity and respect-regardless of their beliefs, race, creed, sexual orientation and gender."

Among those to praise the document was Rick Garcia, policy advisor for TCRA, though he noted his organization still hoped the company would adopt an anti-discrimination policy at the corporate level. "As we have heard from gay employees that work for Chick-fil-A, there is a culture of discrimination within the company and we would like to ensure that employees can speak out and call attention to those practices without fear of reprisal," Garcia noted. "It takes time to change the culture of any institution and steps like a corporate policy ensure that progress is made."

TCRA's statement appears to confirm earlier reports which indicated that Chick-fil-A might be reconsidering their LGBT stance. Last month, reliable sources who did not wish to be identified told the HuffPost Gay Voices team that Dan Cathy, the fast food chain's president, "welcomed campus leaders to a private luncheon in Atlanta...to discuss diversity, hospitality and the opportunity to find common ground," though no further information regarding exactly which college groups were present was provided.

The recent backlash against the Atlanta-based fast food chain was sparked by Cathy's remarks in a July 16 interview with the Baptist Press. When writer K. Allan Blume asked Cathy, the son of company founder S. Truett Cathy, about the restaurant group's "support of the traditional family," the president glibly responded, "Well, guilty as charged."

Cathy went on to note, "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that...we know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."

Yet even before the national controversy, students at colleges and universities have been among the most vocal critics of Chick-fil-A's well-reported donations to groups like Exodus International, Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council. In February, New York University student Hillary Dworkoski launched a petition against the fast food chain, calling for NYU to close its Chick-fil-A franchise, reportedly the only one in Manhattan.

Campus Pride, a non-profit LGBT college student advocacy organization, announced this morning that it is suspending its "5 Simple Facts About Chick-fil-A" campaign, which informed students about the company's anti-LGBT connections.

Shane Windmeyer, Executive Director of Campus Pride, who has been meeting with Cathy and other Chick-fil-A leaders over the last six weeks to find "common ground," said in a statement, "At the end of the day, this is not about politics for Campus Pride, this is about dignity, respect and the campus safety of all students at colleges and universities, including lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students."
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From a first amendment perspective, I do not care one way or the other. The company and high-ranking officials are free to do as they please, as long as said actions are legal.

From a gay rights supporter and perspective, good for them.

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"Good for them?" Oh no, I think not. First, as always, gays have the same rights as anyone else.

Second, by throwing public tantrums and using thuggery against productive, ethical and harmless people with whom they disagree, they've inspired still greater resistance to their cause.

Third, their antics inspired a homicidal freak to storm the offices of the highly regarded organization that so terrifies them, resulting in the shooting of an employee.
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"Good for them?" Oh no, I think not. First, as always, gays have the same rights as anyone else.
You saying that is hilarious.
The glaring logical flaw in the argument is the realization that it's premise can be claimed to be just as "true" AFTER gays have achieved legal equality with straights.

Gays can't marry? Oftencold thinks that's equal.
Gays can marry? By the same stunted logic, it would be "equal" as well...


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Second, by throwing public tantrums and using thuggery against productive, ethical and harmless people with whom they disagree, they've inspired still greater resistance to their cause.
You keep believing that sunshine if it helps you sleep at night.
Anti-gay bigotry is a dying breed. Chick-fil-A's move was inevitable.

If you think there is any anti-gay back-lash on this, you're deluding yourself.


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Third, their antics inspired a homicidal freak to storm the offices of the highly regarded organization that so terrifies them, resulting in the shooting of an employee.
And out waltz the absurd allegations.
Anybody who thinks that shooting is related to the Chick-fil-A boycott is deluding themselves.
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Gays can't marry? Oftencold thinks that's equal.
Gays can marry? By the same stunted logic, it would be "equal" as well...
As always, gays have exactly the same marriage rights as anyone else. They just can't pretend to marry people of the same gender in most States. Thus they have equal rights, just not equal inclinations.




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And out waltz the absurd allegations.
Anybody who thinks that shooting is related to the Chick-fil-A boycott is deluding themselves.
Oh, for crying out loud! The gunman, a 'gay rights activist," had a backpack full of Chick-fil-A sandwiches. It was a response to the hysterical inability of the gay "rights" movement's members in general to accept rejection.
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As always, gays have exactly the same marriage rights as anyone else. They just can't pretend to marry people of the same gender in most States. Thus they have equal rights, just not equal inclinations.
I love ya, OC, but...

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As always, gays have exactly the same marriage rights as anyone else. They just can't pretend to marry people of the same gender in most States. Thus they have equal rights, just not equal inclinations.
Your definition of "equal rights" would look at a law outlawing yamulkes and proclaiming that it applies "equally" to the Christian and the Jew.
It's not "equal".

You didn't even try to address my statement. It's 100% right.
Gays can't marry? Oftencold thinks that's equal.
Gays can marry? By the same stunted logic, it would be "equal" as well...


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Oh, for crying out loud! The gunman, a 'gay rights activist," had a backpack full of Chick-fil-A sandwiches. It was a response to the hysterical inability of the gay "rights" movement's members in general to accept rejection.
Your argument is idiotic.
It presumes that a shared position between John and Mark somehow makes Mark responsible for John's actions.

Yes. The shooter had overlapping ideals. But that doesn't make the Chick-fil-A boycott responsible for this nut.
By that mentality, Christianity is responsible for abortion clinic bombers.
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UPDATE...The response...

Chick-fil-A Sets the Record Straight

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In response to media reports that Chick-fil-A has agreed to stop making charitable donations to groups like Focus on the Family, the company today released a statement to set the record straight.

Contrary to reports first made by the gay-activist group The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA) on Tuesday and later picked up by mainstream media outlets, Chick-fil-A and its charitable-giving arm, the WinShape Foundation, did not agree to stop making donations to groups that support the biblical definition of marriage in exchange for being allowed to open a franchise in Chicago.

“For many months now, Chick-fil-A’s corporate giving has been mischaracterized,” executives said in today’s statement. “And while our sincere intent has been to remain out of this political and social debate, events from Chicago this week have once again resulted in questions around our giving. For that reason, we want to provide some context and clarity around who we are, what we believe and our priorities in relation to corporate giving.

“A part of our corporate commitment is to be responsible stewards of all that God has entrusted to us. Because of this commitment, Chick-fil-A’s giving heritage is focused on programs that educate youth, strengthen families and enrich marriages, and support communities. We will continue to focus our giving in those areas. Our intent is not to support political or social agendas.

“As we have stated, the Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender. We will continue this tradition in the over 1,600 restaurants run by independent Owner/Operators.”
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I love ya, OC, but...

Is that the expression of one who tried to fart but did a booboo instead?
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UPDATE...The response...
Chick-fil-A Sets the Record Straight
Man this crap gets old...

Despite the right-wing spin and the occasional left-wing loud-mouth who tries his own left-wing spin, this has not been about them JUST supporting gay marriage.


It's been pointed out over and over again.
And if people think RATIONALLY about it, they would realize this pretense is bull%@#$. There are a LOT MORE companies out there than just Chick-fil-a which support "traditional marriage" which are untouched...

Chick-fil-a was doing something ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST putting money towards "traditional marriage" campaigns.

To repeat...
1) Chick-fil-A has donated at least $5 million to organizations (including a certified hate group) that, among other things, depict gay people as pedophiles, want to make "gay behavior" illegal, and even say gay people should be "exported" out of America.

Even if you oppose same-sex marriage, do you really want to support a company that advocates putting gay people in jail, or "exporting" them, just because they're gay?

2) Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy didn't merely say he supports traditional marriage. Dan Cathy said if you support gay marriage, you "are inviting God's judgment on our nation," and that we "shake our fist at Him" when we do. Dan Cathy also said same-sex marriage is the result of a "deprived" mind and called it "twisted up kind of stuff."

Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you really think gay marriage is "inviting God's judgment on our nation"? Haven't we all heard enough blame from those who claim to speak for the Lord, like after Katrina or, more recently, after the shooting in Aurora, Colo.?

3) Chick-fil-A supports organizations that have claimed they can change gay people into straight people -- "pray away the gay" -- despite the fact that practically every major medical organization has stated that this is not only impossible but dangerous and harmful.

Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you support fake "science" that is known to harm the very people it claims to help?

4) The media keep saying Chick-fil-A has never discriminated, but the truth is that Chick-fil-A has been sued over a dozen times for employment discrimination. That's what a leading business publication, Forbes, stated in 2007, when they also called Chick-fil-A a "cult" and reported that Chick-fil-A's founder and CEO Truett Cathy said he wanted to hire married people because they are more industrious and productive. Truett Cathy has also said he would probably fire someone who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."

Even if you don't support same-sex marriage, do you want to support what some call a "cult" whose CEO says he would fire employees for "being sinful"?

5) Chick-fil-A is just exercising their First Amendment rights by running a business based on the Bible, right? Wrong. There's a line between the "free exercise of religion" and violating the law. If Chick-fil-A is violating the law by discriminating against gay people, or by firing women so that they can be "stay home" moms, as one woman who is suing Chick-fil-A says in court documents, that's not exercising religious expression or free speech, and that's not a First Amendment issue. It may be, if the court decides, a violation of the law.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...b_1725237.html

Now if Chick-fil-a is going to continue this crap, then that's something to take notice of.
If Chick-fil-a is dialing it down and JUST donating to traditional marriage groups, then that's something most on the left can live with.

Also, I can't help but notice some EGREGIOUS malarkey in their statement:
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And while our sincere intent has been to remain out of this political and social debate...
Anybody who doesn't recognize that as a simple, bald-faced lie is living with their head in the sand.
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Chick-A-Filet-A signed an agreement after the Chicago mayor and former OA chief of staff announced he was eschewing the First Amendment in favor of his declaration of Chicago values. Denying a private business a permit to operate within the city because they hold different views on gay marriage ought to prompt condemnation from gay marriage advocates because it is the same freedom that allows them their advocacy.

But no, to gay "rights" advocates the ends always justify the means including discarding the Constitution. Never mind that applying a political litmus test to granting a business license opens the door to government coercion accross a broad spectrum of regulation, the important thing is the advancement of gay marriage.
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