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Old 09-25-2012, 12:11 PM
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As always, gays have exactly the same marriage rights as anyone else.
True, which is why this is a gender equality issue and not a sexuality issue.
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Chick-A-Filet-A signed an agreement after the Chicago mayor and former OA chief of staff announced he was eschewing the First Amendment in favor of his declaration of Chicago values. Denying a private business a permit to operate within the city because they hold different views on gay marriage ought to prompt condemnation from gay marriage advocates because it is the same freedom that allows them their advocacy.
But no, to gay "rights" advocates the ends always justify the means including discarding the Constitution. Never mind that applying a political litmus test to granting a business license opens the door to government coercion accross a broad spectrum of regulation, the important thing is the advancement of gay marriage.
I swear.
There are some posters that are so disgustingly dishonest around here that I don’t think anybody takes them seriously.

No. “Gay ‘rights’ advocates” typically DO NOT support the Chicago mayor’s actions.
· We’ve had a couple threads on here talking about it. I can’t think of a single liberal poster here who has expressed support for keeping Chick-fil-A out of Chicago.
But, I don’t expect you to be honest enough to admit that.
· An example of another popular liberal who thinks the Chicago mayor is in the wrong. Jon Stewart Criticizes Anti-Chick-Fil-A Mayors After Appreciation Day Backlash (VIDEO)

So, you can keep on with your stupid lies because that’s your first amendment right to ignore the truth.
I’ll keep on countering them.
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But no, to gay "rights" advocates the ends always justify the means including discarding the Constitution. Never mind that applying a political litmus test to granting a business license opens the door to government coercion accross a broad spectrum of regulation, the important thing is the advancement of gay marriage.


Your broad brush lying about what other people believe is childish.

The gay "rights" advocates on this board have consistently condemned any government efforts to interfere with the free speech right of Cathy and other Chick-A-Filet-A executives.

But don't let that interfere with your fantasies.
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I swear.
There are some posters that are so disgustingly dishonest around here that I don’t think anybody takes them seriously.

No. “Gay ‘rights’ advocates” typically DO NOT support the Chicago mayor’s actions.
· We’ve had a couple threads on here talking about it. I can’t think of a single liberal poster here who has expressed support for keeping Chick-fil-A out of Chicago.
But, I don’t expect you to be honest enough to admit that.
· An example of another popular liberal who thinks the Chicago mayor is in the wrong. Jon Stewart Criticizes Anti-Chick-Fil-A Mayors After Appreciation Day Backlash (VIDEO)

So, you can keep on with your stupid lies because that’s your first amendment right to ignore the truth.
I’ll keep on countering them.
The OP reports the gay rights group thanking Chicago Alderman Moreno and his office for working out the agreement. Gee why would anyone think politics played a role in awarding a business license in Chicago. Just because the mayor denounced Chick-a-filet as not having Chicago values and promised to block any expansion in the city, Just because the Alderman extracted a statement of political correctness is no reason to worry about free speech being abused.

Save your pompous disgust for some other time when the facts don't undercut your story.
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Your broad brush lying about what other people believe is childish.

The gay "rights" advocates on this board have consistently condemned any government efforts to interfere with the free speech right of Cathy and other Chick-A-Filet-A executives.

But don't let that interfere with your fantasies.
I note the absence of any condemnation of the Chicago Alderman coercion of Chick-a-Filet from the self proclaimed champion of free speech.
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I note the absence of any condemnation of the Chicago Alderman coercion of Chick-a-Filet from the self proclaimed champion of free speech.

I have no idea what that means.
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I have no idea what that means.
Read the OP, the gay rights group congratulates Alderman Moreno for his had work forging the agreement with Chick-a-Filete. The restaurant chain had to prostrate themselves before the altar of Rambo's Chicago "values" to open new stores in the city. Surely an advocate of free speech regardless of the content being agreeable ought to condemn this instance of government political coercion.

It is not an analysis based on guessing what other people think it is based on what they say and do.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:37 AM
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The OP reports the gay rights group thanking Chicago Alderman Moreno and his office for working out the agreement. Gee why would anyone think politics played a role in awarding a business license in Chicago.
Apples and oranges.
Just because somebody thanks them for changing their policy DOES NOT mean that every action that anybody took to try to get the policy changed was thanked.


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Just because the mayor denounced Chick-a-filet as not having Chicago values and promised to block any expansion in the city, Just because the Alderman extracted a statement of political correctness is no reason to worry about free speech being abused.
The mayor's actions regarding blocking any expansion in the city were wrong. Period.

And changing your mind on something IS NOT a violation of free speech.

The reality is that the Chicago mayor is just one piece of a LARGER objection to Chick-fil-A's position.
But the Chicago mayor's actions are the ones you want to latch onto and fixate on.

If I were to follow the same tactic, I would insist on talking about Fred Phelps' comments about gays, to try to fixate on that instead of the millions of other people who have less volatile attitudes towards gays.


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Save your pompous disgust for some other time when the facts don't undercut your story.
Quit LYING.

It's just that simple.


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I note the absence of any condemnation of the Chicago Alderman coercion of Chick-a-Filet from the self proclaimed champion of free speech.
Are you for %@#-ing real?
As I have already pointed out, we've ALREADY HAD THREADS on this where liberal posters condemned the Chicago mayor's statements left and right.
Quit LYING.



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Read the OP, the gay rights group congratulates Alderman Moreno for his had work forging the agreement with Chick-a-Filete. The restaurant chain had to prostrate themselves before the altar of Rambo's Chicago "values" to open new stores in the city. Surely an advocate of free speech regardless of the content being agreeable ought to condemn this instance of government political coercion.
I have no idea who this gay rights group is. Major gay rights groups include names like GLAAD, HRC, PFLAG...
I can list a variety of atrocious anti-gay groups. INCLUDING ones that Chick-fil-A gave money to, but people like you don't give a damn about that.
But I would not presume to stereo-type their views onto just anybody who opposed gay marriage.


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...self proclaimed champion of free speech...
Who the hell do you claim to be talking about with this comment?
Or would I be correct in recognizing this is yet another bullspit claim you sprinkle into your routine posting that is devoid of truth?
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Apples and oranges.
Just because somebody thanks them for changing their policy DOES NOT mean that every action that anybody took to try to get the policy changed was thanked.



The mayor's actions regarding blocking any expansion in the city were wrong. Period.

And changing your mind on something IS NOT a violation of free speech.

The reality is that the Chicago mayor is just one piece of a LARGER objection to Chick-fil-A's position.
But the Chicago mayor's actions are the ones you want to latch onto and fixate on.

If I were to follow the same tactic, I would insist on talking about Fred Phelps' comments about gays, to try to fixate on that instead of the millions of other people who have less volatile attitudes towards gays.



Quit LYING.

It's just that simple.



Are you for %@#-ing real?
As I have already pointed out, we've ALREADY HAD THREADS on this where liberal posters condemned the Chicago mayor's statements left and right.
Quit LYING.




I have no idea who this gay rights group is. Major gay rights groups include names like GLAAD, HRC, PFLAG...
I can list a variety of atrocious anti-gay groups. INCLUDING ones that Chick-fil-A gave money to, but people like you don't give a damn about that.
But I would not presume to stereo-type their views onto just anybody who opposed gay marriage.



Who the hell do you claim to be talking about with this comment?
Or would I be correct in recognizing this is yet another bullspit claim you sprinkle into your routine posting that is devoid of truth?
The first paragraph makes no sense at all. Since it apparently is too much trouble to read the OP I will summarize the salient point. The gay rights group was thanking the Chicago Alderman's office for the hard work they had done forging the agreement with Chick-a-Filet. The issue is not the group giving thanks but the Alderman using his elected office to coerce the restaurant.

You condemn the mayor's announcement banning Chick-a-Filet from expanding but are comfortable with the Alderman holding city permits hostage to Chick-a-Filet signing this proclamation affirming their commitment to the Chicago values the mayor spoke about. Conditioning government services on adopting what the government considers acceptable political values is the opposite of free speech.

Given Chicago's well deserved history of political corruption and the mayor appointing himself the guatdian of "values" it is naive to pretend the Alderman wasn't acting as the enforcer abusing his office to extract this agreement.

I never attacked the gay "rights" group for their beliefs. My criticism is of the common tactic of ignoring the corruption of the process as long as it produces the desired result. You validate this assertion by ignoring the issue of the Alderman's encroaching on free speech while repeatedly calling me a liar.

The rant about Fred Phelps is a nice bit of hyperbole. Is he a mayor or alderman of a major US city? No, he is a private citizen entitled to express his opinion and to lobby our government for redress of grievences. Or, does that only apply if he supports policies agreeable to you?
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The first paragraph makes no sense at all. Since it apparently is too much trouble to read the OP I will summarize the salient point. The gay rights group was thanking the Chicago Alderman's office for the hard work they had done forging the agreement with Chick-a-Filet. The issue is not the group giving thanks but the Alderman using his elected office to coerce the restaurant.
As previously pointed out, repeatedly, this has been condemned by the liberals on this board.
If you can think of any exception to that, please provide the quote from the person involved...


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You condemn the mayor's announcement banning Chick-a-Filet from expanding but are comfortable with the Alderman holding city permits hostage to Chick-a-Filet signing this proclamation affirming their commitment to the Chicago values the mayor spoke about.
Are you really so delusional you think anybody is believing these stupid lies?
Your sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

So you seriously understand I condemn his announcement...
... but then you LIE and pretend I am comfortable with the actions enforcing the announcement???


At this stage, you're not even trying to make your lies believable.


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I never attacked the gay "rights" group for their beliefs. My criticism is of the common tactic of ignoring the corruption of the process as long as it produces the desired result.
So, by calling out Alderman's actions, I am ignoring it...


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You validate this assertion by ignoring the issue of the Alderman's encroaching on free speech while repeatedly calling me a liar.
I have ignored no such thing. I find it repugnant and illegal.
And you are a liar.


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The rant about Fred Phelps is a nice bit of hyperbole. Is he a mayor or alderman of a major US city? No, he is a private citizen entitled to express his opinion and to lobby our government for redress of grievences. Or, does that only apply if he supports policies agreeable to you?
And likewise, I'll just refer to the gay rights group as "expressing their opinions" and "lobbying our government for redress of grievences".
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