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Old 08-22-2012, 12:46 PM
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Actually there is a current relevance to that small detail of the story, but it's not particularly flattering to my side, so I was being a dirty dog, and like my opposition I prefer to avoid those. Busted though, so I'll explain.

It goes like this. If you listen to the media of the right there are a desperate few who try to excuse Todd Akin's remark on "legitimate rape". Akin's official excuse is it's only the word "legitimate" in reference to rape that people are objecting to. That's obviously not true. They object to his suggestion rape can't cause pregnancy. But go with me on this, I'll show you how Roe is being used by a scattering of excusers.

So Akin wants to claim he only made a small misuse of the word "legitimate". From there the excusers jump in, and say "Yeah, like what about Roe? She made a false claim of rape".
Thank you for explaining. I had heard the "Roe made a false claim of rape" meme, too...so I asked you if that's what you were getting at.
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Umm... no details about her story were attacked. Who is fighting against anyone learning the details? There's nothing to hide. There's nothing in her story that anyone WANTS to hide. Who's fighting about revealing any truth about who she is? We just all (who are posting) already knew who she was and knew her story. /shrug
On this I'll only suggest people should read the thread, and make up their own minds.
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On this I'll only suggest people should read the thread, and make up their own minds.
So, you can't actually point any times in this thread where anyone did what you claim we did? Of course you can't. Because we didn't.

No one here has any issues with Norma or her story. We're perfectly happy to talk about any aspect of it you wish.
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Actually there is a current relevance to that small detail of the story, but it's not particularly flattering to my side, so I was being a dirty dog, and like my opposition I prefer to avoid those. Busted though, so I'll explain.
It goes like this. If you listen to the media of the right there are a desperate few who try to excuse Todd Akin's remark on "legitimate rape". Akin's official excuse is it's only the word "legitimate" in reference to rape that people are objecting to. That's obviously not true. They object to his suggestion rape can't cause pregnancy. But go with me on this, I'll show you how Roe is being used by a scattering of excusers.
So Akin wants to claim he only made a small misuse of the word "legitimate". From there the excusers jump in, and say "Yeah, like what about Roe? She made a false claim of rape".
Apples and oranges...

Roe was lying in order to obtain something the courts explicitly ruled she had a right to.
Akin lied (glad to see somebody admit that) in an attempt that would have furthered some rape victims from being able to obtain an abortion (something they have a right to).

You want to pretend all lying is equal.
It ain't.
Lying in order to OBSTRUCT or ELIMINATE A RIGHT is nowhere near the same thing as lying in order to EXERCISE a right...



If you want to bust her for lying, have at it. It's your prerogative.
But if you want to pretend Akin's lie and Roe's lie are the same thing, that's absurd.
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Roe was lying in order to obtain something the courts explicitly ruled she had a right to.
Tyranny creates liars.
And the tyrants are to blame, not the liars.
I would never hesitate to lie to get something I needed, if there were no way to obtain it honestly. And I wouldn't feel a bit guilty.
The blame would rest squarely on those withholding what I needed and forcing me to lie in order to have it.
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You want to pretend all lying is equal.
Me? I thought I was clear. I'd prefer to slip past the whole business of the false rape claim. She was mixed up, abused throughout her life, and desperate. I give her a pass.

My reaction to her story is more of sympathy for everything she went through, and I'm glad she's happy now - no matter how she's doing it.

If there's a thing I find villainous though, it would be the cold way the activist attorneys, Coffey and Weddington, treated her once they had her signature on a piece of paper allowing them to use her as a kind of legal Judas goat.
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I'm just confused about why someone who claimed to be gay and lived in a lesbian relationship for over a decade, then claimed that Jesus cured her and she's now heterosexual, has any credibility whatsoever.
Okay, she was for reproductive choice, then against it, then for it, then against it again. She was heterosexual, then gay, then heterosexual again.
Who cares what this flaky wingnut thinks, really?
I'm sorry about her sad and unfortunate life, but really she created a lot of her own misfortune through her substance abuse.
I'm not sure why her opinion about anything should have any bearing on my reproductive rights. Or why her opinion should have any bearing on anything, as pertains to anyone else besides herself.
What qualifications does she have? Why should we listen? Why does her opinion matter?
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I'm just confused about why someone who claimed to be gay and lived in a lesbian relationship for over a decade, then claimed that Jesus cured her and she's now heterosexual, has any credibility whatsoever.
Okay, she was for reproductive choice, then against it, then for it, then against it again. She was heterosexual, then gay, then heterosexual again.
Who cares what this flaky wingnut thinks, really?
I'm sorry about her sad and unfortunate life, but really she created a lot of her own misfortune through her substance abuse.
I'm not sure why her opinion about anything should have any bearing on my reproductive rights. Or why her opinion should have any bearing on anything, as pertains to anyone else besides herself.
What qualifications does she have? Why should we listen? Why does her opinion matter?
Here ya go Rivrat. I think this is one of the ones you're looking for.
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Here ya go Rivrat. I think this is one of the ones you're looking for.
What details or "truth" were attacked? She spoke only the truth, how is that attacking the truth?
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Me? I thought I was clear. I'd prefer to slip past the whole business of the false rape claim. She was mixed up, abused throughout her life, and desperate. I give her a pass.
My reaction to her story is more of sympathy for everything she went through, and I'm glad she's happy now - no matter how she's doing it.
If there's a thing I find villainous though, it would be the cold way the activist attorneys, Coffey and Weddington, treated her once they had her signature on a piece of paper allowing them to use her as a kind of legal Judas goat.
I invite readers to compare THIS claim above with the post I was responding to ( http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/civ...tml#post469965 ) and recognize that not only was there back-pedaling involved, I think ID transitioned to taking a swim instead...
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