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This has nothing to do with gay pride or straight pride. It has nothing to do with being sexually attracted to girls or boys. That's the whole flipping point. There is no "I made out with a chick" merit badge. It's about community service and social responsibility and the fact that you concur that young men should be kept from that sort of education and camaraderie just because they MIGHT have an attraction to another boy is asinine. Quote:
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"Traditional values", today, has become a euphemism for oppressing everyone who isn't a white heterosexual Christian male. Social responsibility and community service are no longer "traditional" values, if they ever were; they're progressive values. |
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You and d-man are making a connection between the definitions that simply isn't there. |
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Disagree. Bisexual, homosexual, and heterosexual are all sexual orientations which by definition involve being attracted to a sexual being (of whichever gender)- ie, one who is biologically sexually mature, ie beyond puberty. Being sexually attracted to a being who is not sexually mature, who has no secondary sex characteristics, who is not capable of reproduction, and who is not biologically capable of sexual intercourse without sustaining injury, is nothing like homosexuality, heterosexuality, or bisexuality. It is not comparable to these things. It is not a sexual orientation. It is a pathology, more akin to bestiality or some other harmful sexual fetish. edit: This is just a personal theory, but common wisdom has it that many abusers are former victims themselves, attempting to work through their past abuse (in a dysfunctional way) by perpetrating the same abuse against others, thereby experiencing being the one in power, rather than the helpless one. It therefore makes sense that men who are former victims (even if they are heterosexual) would abuse male children, since what they are really doing is trying to heal themselves by recreating their own past abuse, but this time with themselves in a position of power rather than helplessness. Last edited by 1069; 07-22-2012 at 11:43 AM.. |
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If you'll note, the APA uses the adult terms (man/woman) intentionally. Sexual orientation is not merely what blows your skirt up. It's far more than that. It's about a relationship. Pedophiles don't have a "relationship" with their victims. They don't share goals and values in some sort of ongoing commitment. Therefore, they cannot have a sexual orientation based upon their victim. Sexual orientation is defined by the adult relationships you have. In this case, Sandusky was a heterosexual who was also a pedophile. The gender of the child is irrelevant to his orientation classification because he cannot meet the true standards of orientation via his predatory actions.
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The most accurate that can be said here is that pedophilia-being-pathological is pretty straightforward, but it is a grey area as the age progresses, until one is no longer a teenager and rather an adult, where THAT is pretty straightforward as well. Adults with anyone younger than an adult should be considered by society as dangerous territory, IMO. There are terms (considered negative) for adults who find teenagers appealing INSTEAD of adults, for instance, each referring to age ranges and/or taking gender into account. It's pretty hard for me not to see any adult who prefers teens RATHER than adults (or even along WITH adults in some cases) as anything but having a pathological problem. Hebephilia Epebophilia
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No, that it's no "relationship" is not the standard either--which is why it's completely legal for adults to be with adults sexually sans 'relationship.' Age-of-consent is really the law's attempt to accommodate the fact that kids aren't emotionally (or in many cases physically) mature enough to make consent decisions and therefore more vulnerable to being taken advantage-of by preying adults.
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A man who has sex with and impregnates a 14-year-old is violating age of consent laws as well as American social mores, but he is not a pedophile. Pedophilia- sexual attraction to prepubescent children- is an actual psychopathology, like bestiality. Having sex with individuals who are biologically sexually mature but whom our society deems too young to have sex is not a psychopathology. It's a crime, and perhaps a crappy thing to do, but it isn't indicative of mental illness. |
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