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While we certainly continue to hope not, here was a OP piece on the issue ...

CROUSE: Normalizing Penn State pedophilia - Washington Times
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That whole thing is several years old - and has been debunked several times.

The groups MAIN goal is to lower the age of consent to 16 (which is fine with me - most 16 year olds are sexually active anyway - or at least experimenting). They also want to eliminate the age gap criminality (i.e. an "adult" of 22 having sex with a 16 year old) - which I also have no problem with.
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That whole thing is several years old - and has been debunked several times.

The groups MAIN goal is to lower the age of consent to 16 (which is fine with me - most 16 year olds are sexually active anyway - or at least experimenting). They also want to eliminate the age gap criminality (i.e. an "adult" of 22 having sex with a 16 year old) - which I also have no problem with.
Before assuming that, I would review B4U-ACT's own statements first. (Incidentally, it's fascinating in that it sounds like they are pushing for a mentality that views it as a sort of 'orientation' approach. So many of the points are similar in the way they are arguing for it.)

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I got pregnant at 15 and married at 16 (to a kid my own age).
If anything, we're moving in the opposite direction from "normalizing" that; it was only twenty years ago, give or take, but nowadays people freak out when they hear it.

In my opinion (and, I believe, according to American Psychiatric Association also), sex that involves physiologically mature individuals- ie, those beyond puberty and capable of reproducing- isn't technically pedophilia.

In my opinion, teens beyond puberty are capable of informed consent to sex, and contraception, and the full range of reproductive choice, in the case of pregnancy. They certainly attain pseudo-adult legal status the instant they give birth (even while pregnant, they can apply for welfare, federally-funded housing, etc; in labor, they are responsible for making their own medical decisions, and upon giving birth they become responsible for making their child's medical decisions- and all other decisions about his upbringing- as well) so it's kind of ridiculous to claim that they're not old enough to be prescribed oral contraceptives without parental consent.
I don't think they're capable of informed consent to marriage, however, and I don't think they're old enough to sign legal contracts, so I don't think they ought to be legally allowed to get married until they reach the age of majority.

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That whole thing is several years old - and has been debunked several times.

The groups MAIN goal is to lower the age of consent to 16 (which is fine with me - most 16 year olds are sexually active anyway - or at least experimenting). They also want to eliminate the age gap criminality (i.e. an "adult" of 22 having sex with a 16 year old) - which I also have no problem with.
This is par for Joe Shoe's course though...

APA Response to Congressional Pedophilia Statement
The American Psychiatric Association is deeply distressed by a recent Congressional advisory misunderstanding and misinterpreting of the definition of pedophilia as currently defined in their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV).

In 1994 the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV publicly amended not only the definition of pedophilia but all disorders, to define disorder as those that cause clinically significant distress. The American Psychiatric Association's position of pedophilia then--and now is very clear. In an October 1997 position paper the following statements were issued:

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"An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act which never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior."

"Child psychiatrists and other child development experts maintain that children are incapable of offering informed consent to sex with an adult. Furthermore, since pedophiliac acts harm the child, psychiatrists condemn publications or organizations which seek to promote or normalize sex between adults and children."

"When evaluating who may have pedophilia, psychiatrists apply three criteria spelled out in the DSM-IV. Whether or not all three criteria are present, an individual who has sexual encounter with a child has committed a crime. Psychiatrists nationwide support the federal and state statues that define the criminality of any sexual act or molestation involving a child."

Moreover, the very idea of the subject line is stupid.
Even if the APA were to remove pedophilia from the DSM, that wouldn't make it "normal".

"Rape" isn't an inherent entry of the DSM.
Does that mean it's "normal"?
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That whole thing is several years old - and has been debunked several times.
Joe Shoe is either willfully or ignorantly misrepresenting the group's purpose.

The groups MAIN goal is to lower the age of consent to 16 (which is fine with me - most 16 year olds are sexually active anyway - or at least experimenting). They also want to eliminate the age gap criminality (i.e. an "adult" of 22 having sex with a 16 year old) - which I also have no problem with.
We discussed the B4U-ACT group a bit on another blog, but their main goal is to have people with pedophilic feelings feel safe to seek mental health treatment before they've committed a crime. The group is primarily composed of psychologists and psychiatrists who treat pedophiles. They are not advocating pedophilia at all.

CrazyFlamingos had previously posted on this issue, so I'll just quote her:
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What they are NOT asking for is that active pedophiles be given a pass to have a relationship with their prepubescent "lovers."

What they are also NOT advocating is for pedophilic ideation to be redefined as part of the healthy and normal spectrum of sexuality.

What they ARE advocating is the destigmatization of the mental disorder that leads to "minor attraction."

Schizophrenics were once thought to be possessed by demons.

Alcoholics were once thought to be degenerate layabouts who preferred spending their lives pursuing a life of debauchery rather than being productive members of society.

And kleptomaniacs were just people who like to steal.

We now recognize that all of these things are the result of disorders that often leave the victim struggling to resist that which their own brain is telling them to do.

All of these disorders can lead to harm not just to the person who has the disorder but also to others who may encounter them. Yet we do not automatically start loading up the shotgun or the syringes or firing up old sparky when we hear that someone is schizophrenic or alcoholic or kleptomaniacal.

We recognize that, with treatment, that it is possible for people with these disorders to control their actions and avoid harming both others and themselves. We also recognize that the earlier they seek treatment, the more likely that they will be able to avoid wreaking destruction all about themselves.

And we recognize that by not placing a moral judgement on the very existence of bad thoughts in such a person's mind, we are making it easier for that person to seek out help in ridding his/her self of those bad thoughts through treatment.

What B4U-Act seems to be advocating is that we recognize the same things for those with the urge to have sex with children.

Rather than scaring pedophiles into hiding the moment that the thought of sex with a minor enters his/her brain, B4U-Act is asking a little understanding for those that have such thoughts but are struggling not to act on them. They want the psychiatric community and the public at large to recognize that it just having such thoughts does not make someone a criminal. And the hope is, of course, that the possibility of being met with understanding rather than scorn will encourage more of them to seek out treatment B4 they ACT on those thoughts and harm a child.

Trying to recast this group and their website as advocating the normalization of pedophilic acts and child/adultmarriage is a total FAIL.
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And for a person who is supposed to be a journalist to do so is the worst sort of yellow journalism.
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Even IF pedophiles were to be considered a different sexual orientation, it wouldn't make any difference, as CHILDREN are INCAPABLE of rendering consent.
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Even IF pedophiles were to be considered a different sexual orientation, it wouldn't make any difference, as CHILDREN are INCAPABLE of rendering consent.
And the same with bestiality.
Sexual "orientations" which lead one to victimize others by having sex with them without consent (because they are incapable of giving it) are not orientations at all, but psychopathy. They are illnesses that need to be treated, because they harm others, and they harm society.
Homosexuality does not fall into that category. Rather, it occupies the same category as heterosexuality: consenting adults having consensual sex with other consenting adults, and therefore harming no one and presenting no danger to society.
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And for a person who is supposed to be a journalist to do so is the worst sort of yellow journalism.
Well, it was the Mooney Times. I wouldn't have expected anything less.
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