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Civil Rights & Abortion Discuss Interview with Greg Quinlan, president of PFOX at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by foundit66 And you still haven't even tried to refute the holes in your first post... It's tragically ...

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Old 11-24-2011, 03:01 PM
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And you still haven't even tried to refute the holes in your first post...

It's tragically funny how you think my failure to answer your stupid question on "did you watch the video" is meaningful, but you failing to address the points somehow has meaning...
So did you watch the interview?
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Old 11-24-2011, 03:04 PM
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I've decided to give Joe even more holes in this guy's claims for Joe to ignore...



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First off, his honesty is questionable on his claims of his history...
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When I worked for the Human Rights Campaign, from 1998-2003, “ex-gay” activist Greg Quinlan proclaimed that he had once lobbied for the organization. By showing a radical transformation – gay activist to ex-gay – his tale instantly became more marketable to the media and presumably for public speaking engagements.

This week, the recently divorced fundamentalist, now working with Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays (PFOX), repeated the “lobbyist” story to the Christian Examiner, which uncritically dictated his claim. The problem is, Quinlan is either lying or greatly exaggerating any role he may have had with the gay organization.

I personally investigated this sexual engineer’s tale while still at HRC. No one in Washington or Dayton, Ohio, where he claims to have lobbied, remembers working with him. Now, it is possible that he licked stamps on volunteer night, at some point. Or, that Quinlan ate at a Human Rights Campaign dinner. But, that does not make him a lobbyist any more than the fact I went to a concert last month makes me a rock star.
Truth Wins Out - Fact Check: The Evidence Suggests That Greg Quinlan Was Never a Human Rights Campaign Lobbyist

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"no scientific evidence to support why I was doing what I was doing why I accepted a homosexual identity and started to figure out and started to look for the information as to why. and when I couldn't find any real proof except for cultural, sociological, emotional kind of things..."
Considering point #1 above, this claim comes into question.
But moreover, something ridiculously identical can be said about his CURRENT actions.
Can he show any scientific evidence to support what he is doing now?

Of course not.


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"hate crime"
So saying "pray-away-the-gay" is a hate crime.
Wow. I'm a gay liberal man and I find that claim to not only be an absurd over-reach, it demonstrates a ridiculous extreme that the right-wing complains repeatedly about without any proof.
Repeatedly, you'll see "pastors" and other people complain that religious SPEECH can be considered as hate crime. They proclaim fear that they will someday be imprisoned just for speaking their opinion.
And this guy says a person saying "pray-away-the-gay" is a hate crime?

4)
"innate" vs "not a choice"
Then he goes on to admit that his FEELINGS were not a choice.
Dude. You just admitted that homosexuality is not a choice!

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It's funny how the interviewer DIRECTLY LAID OUT Greg's hypocrisy in complaining about gay being a protected class, but then asking for "ex-gay" to be a protected class...
But then the interviewer NEVER DEMANDED HE EXPLAIN that contradiction.

What's even more pathetic is the issue of whether there are ANY ACTUAL EXAMPLES OF DISCRIMINATION against "ex-gay" people that would be protected by such hypothetical legislation...
Ex-gays whine a lot about being victims when they aren't.
Quite frankly, why you complain about "gay priders", THESE guys (ex-gays) fit that complaint more aptly than gays do...

This guy's interview was little more than a POLITICAL speech, given from a "sexual minority" group...


Okay.
That's five more points (total of six) which Joe can ignore...

Guess I should feel REALLY embarrassed that I still haven't answered his question as to whether or not I've seen the video...
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More questioning this guy's honesty...

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Quinlan, a lobbyist for the New Jersey Family Policy Council, appeared in an interview with Mark Segraves on WDCW-TV in Washington, D.C. on Oct. 7 — the comments, first noticed by Ex-Gay Watch, came to TWO’s attention on Tuesday.

Throughout the show, Quinlan distorts reality and flat out dissembles on several subjects, and fabricated an alleged hit on his life, said TWO, in a statement Wednesday.
“Truth Wins Out if you look further, including Wayne Besen. He’s asked for people, you know, somebody needs to run Greg over. He needs to be hit with a bus. Somebody should inject him with AIDS. Those are the things that Wayne Besen and Truth Wins Out says about me. That’s pretty hateful rhetoric,” said Quinlan.
“The bizarre and defamatory scenario portrayed by Quinlan exists only in his own mind,” said Besen. “What he said is entirely fabricated and a dishonest and brazen attempt to smear me personally, destroy my reputation, and discredit the good work of Truth Wins Out.”

Besen called the remarks “outright libel” and a “complete fabrication that he invented out of thin air.”
The integrity of PFOX has long been questioned. Its former president, Richard Cohen, was expelled for life from the American Counseling Association for multiple ethics violations. A key member of the organization’s Speaker’s Bureau, Arthur Abba Goldberg, is a convicted felon sent to prison for financial fraud.

In 2010, Quinlan attended a conference organized by Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, a group that is listed as a certified Southern Poverty Law Center hate group. During his speech at the meeting, Quinlan disparaged LGBT people and said that when he used to live as an openly gay man he wasn’t a “flaming f*gg*t.”

“I wasn’t your flaming f*gg*t, you know,” Quinlan told the chuckling crowd. “I can say that because I’ve been there and done that. You know, the one’s whose wrists are so limp that when the wind blows they slap themselves in the face. I wasn’t one of them.”
“It speaks to Quinlan’s character that he lies so easily and simply makes things up,” said Besen.

“I’d be willing to take a lie detector test to prove my innocence and to show that I’ve never said such vile words,” he said. “Will Quinlan also take these tests to prove the ‘veracity’ of his calumny?”
‘Ex-gay’ lobbyist alleges gay rights advocate put a hit out on his life – LGBTQ Nation

And can I say for the record, I am thoroughly unsurprised by his "flaming f*gg*t" slur.
Too often, the "ex-gay" movement is about how they can try to attack gays...
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Guess I should feel REALLY embarrassed that I still haven't answered his question as to whether or not I've seen the video...
Yeah, ya should, actually. It tends to demonstrate you aren't interested in actual dialogue when you won't even answer such a simple yes or no question out of pure belligerence. You still are barely scratching the surface of what he said, so I wonder still if you even watched the interview at this point.
A simple yes or no, and I'll be glad to address your points. (Heck even if you are honest and say no.)
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Yeah, ya should, actually. It tends to demonstrate you aren't interested in actual dialogue when you won't even answer such a simple yes or no question out of pure belligerence.
A simple yes or no, and I'll be glad to address your points.
The funny thing is that I'm giving evidence of the answer to that question.
And you're showing YOU aren't interested in actual dialogue, as you ignore the topical points being raised in favor of me playing your games...

I can show your guy to be an absolute idiot, and all you care about is whether or not you get a "yes" or "no"...

I'll leave it to the viewing audience to recognize who is the one not showing an interest in the topical discussion.
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More examples of Greg's failure in the interview.
His claim that he won a suit in DC for "ex-gay" to be a protected class sounded absurd.
Simple research PROVED yet another of Greg's claims a lie...

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Despite their rather up-beat press release (and more than a few blog headlines), The Superior Court for the District of Columbia handed Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays, Inc (PFOX) a defeat today. PFOX had asked for a review of an earlier decision by the DC Office of Human Rights (OHR) which has jurisdiction over cases involving the DC Human Rights Act (HRA). That decision, prompted by a complaint filed by PFOX in 2003, found that the National Education Association (NEA) was within it’s rights to deny PFOX a booth at their annual convention in 2002. The DC Superior Court denied the relief requested by PFOX:
PFOX asks the Court to reverse OHR’s final decision finding no probable cause that NEA discriminated against PFOX on the basis of sexual orientation when it denied public accommodation services to PFOX by refusing to provide PFOX with exhibit space at EXPO 2002. As a matter of law, OHR erred in determining that ex-gays are not a protected class under the HRA. Regardless of whether or not OHR erred in its classification of ex-gays, it correctly found that PFOX’s exhibit booth application was rejected for non-discriminatory reasons.

Furthermore, while EXPO 2002 was held in Texas, OHR did have jurisdiction over the charge because the rejection of PFOX’s application occurred in D.C., where NEA was headquartered. Therefore, Petitioner’s request to reverse the OHR’s decision, the requested relief, is DENIED.
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The funny thing is that I'm giving evidence of the answer to that question.
And you're showing YOU aren't interested in actual dialogue, as you ignore the topical points being raised in favor of me playing your games...

I can show your guy to be an absolute idiot, and all you care about is whether or not you get a "yes" or "no"...

I'll leave it to the viewing audience to recognize who is the one not showing an interest in the topical discussion.
The sad thing is that you've carried this silly little game on long enough now that you can't SAY 'yes' or 'no' without (in your view) losing face. So you've sort of boxed yourself in, in a sense. Look, I don't CARE about that. No losing face. Just say whether or not you watched the interview. It's simple, just say so. There's no shame in answering the question!
Now, I have to go eat Thanksgiving dinner; I'l check back later to see if Foundit actually answered the question.
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The video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable.

Oh... darn. lololol.
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The sad thing is that you've carried this silly little game on long enough now that you can't SAY 'yes' or 'no' without (in your view) losing face.
ROFLMAO!
OMG! I seriously have tears in my eyes...

I have no idea how you think I would "lose face" by answering that question.
Seriously. No idea at all.

The sad thing is that you've carried this silly little game on long enough whereby YOU WANT there to be some meaning to me answering it, but you refuse to let yourself realize that me explicitly answering it has no meaning.
Anybody who reads my posts on this thread already knows the answer to your question...


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So you've sort of boxed yourself in, in a sense. Look, I don't CARE about that. No losing face. Just say whether or not you watched the interview. It's simple, just say so. There's no shame in answering the question!
So you "don't care" about the answer that you INSIST that I have to answer...


Honestly dude.
You need some introspection capability.


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Now, I have to go eat Thanksgiving dinner; I'l check back later to see if Foundit actually answered the question.
Do you think anybody besides yourself cares about whether I answer a question whose answer (at this stage) is PAINFULLY ALREADY OBVIOUS to any casual observer?

Seriously dude.
You obviously NEED me to do what you tell me to...
I'm just curious if you can come to a stage where you realize that you complaining repeatedly about that hurts your credibility more than mine...
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No, I didn't watch and I don't care. Unless you are gay or a homophobe you shouldn't either. This is America.
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