Originally Posted by dabateman

This douchebag is obviously either too dense to understand the most basic compulsions of human nature, or is simply trying to avoid the obvious truth glaring in their face.

Every single time I hear this argument, it comes from someone who will never see the light. It always the blowhard that does everything they can do to skirt the nuances of legal marriage. These are generally the same people who make every attempt to differentiate between the genders for fear that they might be given attributes of the wrong gender.

The truth of the matter is that homosexuals DO NOT have the same rights as heterosexuals.

Oh sure, you can make the claim that the laws require a person to marry someone of the opposite sex. That (generally speaking) is absolutely true. What that claim fails to mention is that the law, on face, discriminates based on gender (a suspect class as defined by the Supreme Court). Beyond discriminating based upon gender, it fails to state the obvious. HETEROSEXUAL MEN WANT TO MARRY HETEROSEXUAL WOMEN AND VICE-VERSA. So because heterosexual men want to marry heterosexual women, the law is designed to benefit them. Allowing them to marry the person that they are attracted to. Allowing them to marry the person they love. Allowing them to share in the benefits afforded to a marriage such as property rights and rights to insurance coverage or benefits.

We need to take a minute and examine how the law is being used. Why are heterosexuals getting married? Generally because they have fallen in love with their partner and want to build a home with them. How fundamentally is this motivation different than homosexuals? It isn't.

Does marriage have a religious connotation? Not anymore. Who is to blame? Heterosexuals. Brittney Spears, Elizabeth Taylor, the list goes on and on.

Marriage, by all recent polling, is a dying institution. Preventing people from joining isn't the way to revive it. If you want to preserve marriage, then encourage it amongst those who WANT to marry. The number of heterosexuals wanting to get out of their marriage or never get marriage is climbing as is the number of homosexuals who want to get married.

Perhaps people should get off their high horse and allow homosexuals to marry so that we can show our children that marriage and family creation and family bonding is fundamental to our society ACROSS THE BOARD.

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Originally Posted by Idealogically Promiscuous

When I read your responses, I feel as if I am debating a boy of about 13 who is having issues with his own perception as a man.

I have no idea if that is true or not and I will refrain from tossing insults out at you for your dysfunctions but that is the way you come across.

And I would welcome the opportunity for you to one day make a comment like the one above to my face because it would be the last thing you ever did with all your original teeth in your head.

Originally Posted by Dante2

It's easy for a sissy to threaten such thing in cyberspace. Quite a different thing to make it happen in reality.

If by someone telling you you're a sissy you get angry, one option for you to consider might be to re-examine whether you should be a sissy.

Dante.

Originally Posted by AK Gandy

Not even close.


"Venom" is spelled with an "O."

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Originally Posted by AK Gandy

Not even close.


"Venom" is spelled with an "O."

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Originally Posted by Dante2

It's easy for a sissy to threaten such thing in cyberspace. Quite a different thing to make it happen in reality.

If by someone telling you you're a sissy you get angry, one option for you to consider might be to re-examine whether you should be a sissy.

Dante.

Originally Posted by AK Gandy

MELTDOWN!!!!

Originally Posted by AK Gandy

Damn, this is a tough one.

Root for a misogynist, who also happens to take great delight in denigrating homosexuals to satisfy his own insecurities......or for someone whose lifestyle I have no issues with, but who's personality is woefully adolescent?

Such a dilemma!



Where's the popcorn?



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Originally Posted by foundit66

Honestly, I would have settled for that in the past when it would have been a compromise.
Today?* No.
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The reality of that is recognized on other issues, but for some reason some people can’t seem to appreciate it on the gay issue.
Suppose somebody told the blacks “You will have separate schools, but equal schools”.* Should they settle for that?
No.
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And while I’m sure you’re chomping at the bit to insist that race and sexual orientation are different, you need to recognize that is your specific view.
The underlying reality is that OTHER PEOPLE have similar reasons for rejecting “separate but equal” for homosexuality as they do for race.
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Seriously.
What would it take for you to recognize that gay people typically don’t give a horse excrement about your “endorsement”?
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Do you care about the “endorsement” of people you have never met?
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When Brittany Spears had her few hour marriage or the Jersey Shore members get married, do you think that means the public “endorses” their marriage?

Originally Posted by Dante2

It's not just my endorsement. Homosexuals crave the moral endorsement of normal men in general. That is why they want gay-marriage, they want entry into the boy scouts, they want entry into the religious clergies, and on and on. They want access to the moral pillars of society and they want to achieve affirmance and moral parity.

Dante.