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Your morality is yours and yours alone. Laws should, and more and more they do, set rules for interaction between people in the society and with their government. Laws should never reflect moral approval or disapproval.

So if I think it is Ok to run around in a thong with whipped cream on my head, no one should object or tell me to stop? (As far as I know this is not illegal).
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So if I think it is Ok to run around in a thong with whipped cream on my head, no one should object or tell me to stop? (As far as I know this is not illegal).
Why should they?
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What you find acceptable or not really is irrelevant when it comes to application of the law and the upholding the constitutional rights of citizens of this nation.
IP, keep in mind that this is private property and while it has to conform to some of what you're talking about since it's publically accessible, they still have the right to make and enforce thier own rules. I think that the guard was being an idiot, but if what he did was simply enforcing the rules set down by the owners of the property, then he's doing his job.

Go into any grocery store and you'll see a sign that basically says that they can throw you out/deny you service for any reason whatsoever. They can throw you out for wearing an "I love Rush" t-shirt or being a guy wearing a sparkly g-string, it's THEIR call, not yours, mine or anyone elses and they don't have to actually tell you why you got tossed (in fact, I think that it's in thier best interest to not say anything).
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Why should they?
If it's my private establishment and I hate seeing good whipped cream go to waste, then I should have the right to tell you to leave if I want to.
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IP, keep in mind that this is private property and while it has to conform to some of what you're talking about since it's publically accessible, they still have the right to make and enforce thier own rules. I think that the guard was being an idiot, but if what he did was simply enforcing the rules set down by the owners of the property, then he's doing his job.
I agree with you if you are taking a property rights stance. However, I don't think that Legacy Investments (or whoever now owns the actual real estate interest in Cameron Village) owns the sidewalks and the roads. Cameron Village isn't like a mall...it's rows of shops on city run streets with occasional seating by bus stops and facing the streets. Your argument, valid as it is, would depend on whether the couple were on one of those city streets or at some seating in an establishment.

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Go into any grocery store and you'll see a sign that basically says that they can throw you out/deny you service for any reason whatsoever. They can throw you out for wearing an "I love Rush" t-shirt or being a guy wearing a sparkly g-string, it's THEIR call, not yours, mine or anyone elses and they don't have to actually tell you why you got tossed (in fact, I think that it's in thier best interest to not say anything).
And I fully agree with you when it comes to private establishments.
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So if I think it is Ok to run around in a thong with whipped cream on my head, no one should object or tell me to stop? (As far as I know this is not illegal).
There's no law against you looking foolish.

And there's no law against people vocalizing an objection.

The law should not inhibit either case from occurring.
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There's no law against you looking foolish.

And there's no law against people vocalizing an objection.

The law should not inhibit either case from occurring.
Just the sort of answer I would expect. Thank you for reinforcing what I already knew to be true. You are a prime example of how so many people in this society have slid into useless depravity.
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Just the sort of answer I would expect. Thank you for reinforcing what I already knew to be true. You are a prime example of how so many people in this society have slid into useless depravity.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this but let me fill you in on something, pal: you don't know the first thing about me. I would never take part in the ridiculous behavior you cited in your blatant appeal to the absurd, but I am not so weak of mind that it would rock my world apart to see someone else who wants to act like a fool.

As for depravity and uselessness...well you just echoed my exact thoughts on the mindset it takes to need the government to step in and shield you from someone else's personal choices. That is the height of deranged and pathetic thinking of which you seem to be a...how did you put it? Oh...prime example.

Isn't being a jerk with your rhetoric fun?
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It's private property, so I guess they can set the rules as they like.
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If it's my private establishment and I hate seeing good whipped cream go to waste, then I should have the right to tell you to leave if I want to.
Who said anything about a private establishment? As I understood it, the people in question were not in a private establishment. If they were, of COURSE they have the right to make anyone leave their establishment for any reason at any time, as far as I'm concerned. I don't give a **** if a store tells people to leave because they don't like brunettes. But that is completely separate to what you asked. There's nothing illegal about you looking like a ****ing idiot, like so many of the young punks nowadays with their damn pants down around their knees. There's nothing illegal about me pointing and laughing at you either.
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