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Old 09-23-2010, 08:44 AM
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Default Equality under the law, male's deserve the right to "abort" as well.

A woman has the right to abort a child she does not want, but a man is stuck paying the bill for a child he does not want.

Men should have the right to "abort" their rights as fathers. After all, fairs fair, and while it's not "their body" it is a major part of their reproductive rights.

I expect every pro-abortion person should support equality under the law (see the 14th Amendment for this.) and back giving fathers the right to abort as well.

Consider the following:

Jack and Jill have consensual sex. Jill becomes pregnant. There are several possible outcomes:

1. Jill wants the child, Jack wants the child. Win-Win.

2. Jill doesn't want the child and aborts. Jack wants the child. He just lost his child. No say.

3. Jill wants the child, Jack does not want the child. Jack loses. He has no say, just 18 years of child support.


How is that, from a legal stand point, fair? Every non-married male, who is named as "Father" of a child should have 90 days from the moment they know they are a father... have to make that an official notification they sign for... to choose to "Abort their rights" as a father. Same as a woman, the first trimester. I say from notice because men don't always learn of their status at the time it occurs.
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A woman has the right to abort a child she does not want, but a man is stuck paying the bill for a child he does not want.

Men should have the right to "abort" their rights as fathers. After all, fairs fair, and while it's not "their body" it is a major part of their reproductive rights.

I expect every pro-abortion person should support equality under the law (see the 14th Amendment for this.) and back giving fathers the right to abort as well.

Consider the following:

Jack and Jill have consensual sex. Jill becomes pregnant. There are several possible outcomes:

1. Jill wants the child, Jack wants the child. Win-Win.

2. Jill doesn't want the child and aborts. Jack wants the child. He just lost his child. No say.

3. Jill wants the child, Jack does not want the child. Jack loses. He has no say, just 18 years of child support.


How is that, from a legal stand point, fair? Every non-married male, who is named as "Father" of a child should have 90 days from the moment they know they are a father... have to make that an official notification they sign for... to choose to "Abort their rights" as a father. Same as a woman, the first trimester. I say from notice because men don't always learn of their status at the time it occurs.
If a man doesn't want a kid then he should keep it in his pants.
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I think men currently have the right to abort the fetus that gestates within their male body.
And the female supplying the egg for that gestation in the male body would not have the right to demand abortion.

There's your "fair"...
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If a man doesn't want a kid then he should keep it in his pants.
So then women who don't want children should keep their legs together!

We've reached an agreement then, there is no need for abortion. Thank you for that.
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I think men currently have the right to abort the fetus that gestates within their male body.
And the female supplying the egg for that gestation in the male body would not have the right to demand abortion.

There's your "fair"...
You do realize I'm not talking about literal abortion, but rather the fact women who choose to not be mothers have a legal option where as men who don't wich to be fathers have none.

This isn't about "Abortion" it's about legal equality and fairness. As of now, we do not have this.
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There's nothing 'equal or fair' in gender differences. Women seem to consistently come out on the short end of the stick in the area of child bearing and child rearing. Now that women are doing double duty in the workplace and home, they are getting the shaft. And society is also sending the message that they should be engaging in hot, premarital sex, learning 20 ways to 'satisfy him'. But he's not expected to marry her if she gets knocked up. She can get an abortion, keep the baby to raise on her own, or give it up to strangers (but only if he okays it).
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There's nothing 'equal or fair' in gender differences. Women seem to consistently come out on the short end of the stick in the area of child bearing and child rearing. Now that women are doing double duty in the workplace and home, they are getting the shaft. And society is also sending the message that they should be engaging in hot, premarital sex, learning 20 ways to 'satisfy him'. But he's not expected to marry her if she gets knocked up. She can get an abortion, keep the baby to raise on her own, or give it up to strangers (but only if he okays it).
The issue at hand is the legality of an unequal situation. Which in this case, females have Roe Vs. Wade granting them power over not only their body, but the child they carry and the man whom is involved. This an injustice.
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Are you also advocating paternity leave?...
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The issue at hand is the legality of an unequal situation. Which in this case, females have Roe Vs. Wade granting them power over not only their body, but the child they carry and the man whom is involved. This an injustice.
A good way to solve that is to make abortion illegal. That's my choice.

Then, try to reestablish the institution of marriage, quit denigrating the value of men, encourage and protect the virtue of our young women, and bring sense of shame back into our shameless population.
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A good way to solve that is to make abortion illegal. That's my choice.

Then, try to reestablish the institution of marriage, quit denigrating the value of men, encourage and protect the virtue of our young women, and bring sense of shame back into our shameless population.
I'm not for shedding ourselves of Abortion, sad as it is, we can never put that genie back in the bottle. However, by granting equal legal rights to both parties we can try to instill some sense of responsibility back into the situation.

Also, Rape, Incest and Health of the Mother are times where Abortion should always be an option.
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