Hey stick-for-brains... That was a bad joke. If you read anything I've posted about homosexuals in the military, you'd know that I think that they should have the right to serve. No discrimination and no favoritism allowed. If a DI has for the last ten years called the the recruits he's training "a bunch of pansy-ass faggots", then deal with it. The military is under NO obligation to change one bit because of the presences of open homosexuals. If someone joins and they can't handle the additional pressure that may come from being a homosexual in a pretty testosterone charged environment, then that's too bad. Prove your worth and show the twits who think that you're less of a man becuase you're a homosexual that you are just as able to do the job as they are. But don't expect to get any special treatment in ANY way. Man up and deal with the twits, because they are going to be there and you will have to deal with them. If they break the UCMJ, then they get to pay the price. But if all they do is engage in *******ry, too bad.

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Your posts so far are nothing but a bad joke....

Gee from the tone you sound awfully critical of THAT stance...


So what? I served for over three years in the closet FS, did my job and could care less..... I was just kind of ticked off after being outed by a fellow crew member and then getting the **** kicked out of me for being gay....

Oh really? So then the UCMJ would not be changed to protect straits and gays under sexual harassment? or perhaps fraternization policies? You just keep talking out of your ass....

Testosterone environment? There is no problem BEING in the military, and Gays like Dan Choi managed JUST fine..... The issue is being kicked out simply for BEING gay not performance issues genius...


We HAVE been proving our worth since Valley Forge FS..... Get it through your thick friggin head....

Oh don't worry I wouldn't dare ask for rights from YOU....

You really don't have a damn clue do you......

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Another step closer...

Pentagon changes rules for discharging gays - Yahoo! News

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There is no way gays should be allowed to serve in the military. Taking a shower in a 12x12 room with a dozen showerheads and a dozen men would be a fudge packing party for gays. It would destroy the morale of military personal who are normal and do not engage in that sexual proclivity.

Yes there are some high ranking military officers that have publicly have supported the inclusion of homosexuals in the military. It must be considered that military ranks above colonel are very political in nature. I believe they are pressured by the Obama regime to go along with this destructive idea. I spent time in the military. I know I would never re-enlist or join for that matter if I had to share a barracks with homosexuals.

In the early 1970's the American Psychological Association codified its' definition of mental disorders. They removed homosexuality from the list; that was a big mistake. Homosexuality in and of itself is a form of mental illness. People are not born homosexual in the same manner as people are born right handed or left handed as the gay agenda and the doctrine of political correctness would have us believe. They become homosexual because they have apprehension about participating in normal heterosexual activity stemming from a variety of childhood experiences. It doesn't help that today's media bombards those with these issues with the notion that homosexuality is a normal sexual orientation. The very term "sexual orientation" is a made up catch phrase invented by those pushing the "gay agenda” to obfuscate the real issue.

The US military is a very professional organization many times better than when I was a member in the 1960’s. If gays are allowed to openly be members the morale and professionalism and consequently the effectiveness will be severely damaged

Okay.
You've let your fears be known.

The reality is that in any decent sized military group, there ARE ALREADY gays who exist. When shower facilities are communal, they don't misbehave as you are afraid they would.

As hard as it is to accept, gays in the military typically DO NOT behave as you fear they will.


And that is your choice.
Some people would refuse to share a barracks with a Jew.
Some people would refuse to share a barracks with a black person.

The military has no business catering to prejudice and bigotry.


What leads you to that conclusion?
Are you saying that because you don't like homosexuality, and thus you think it should be classified negatively?

Or does your assessment actually understand what a "mental illness" is in the first place, and you think you have a cogent argument for why homosexuality should be considered as such?



And what leads you to this absurd conclusion?

The research on sexual orientation and what causes it has already concluded it is clearly not a choice.
These vague allegations of "variety of childhood experiences" is just vague mumbo-jumbo to try to pretend you have a valid platform for your claim, while avoiding any proof of it...

Do you have any research which shows any "childhood experience" leads to homosexuality?



Quite frankly, I don't care what you consider as "normal".
"Normal" is over-rated. A standard that some people demand as they make up arbitrary excuses for why they consider one thing "normal" and another thing "not normal".

The very meaning of the word "normal" changes like a chameleon, to be used in some cases as a phrase to express moral condemnation, and in others to express a simple statistical observation which would classify left-handedness, Judaim, and/or red-hair as "not normal".


And yet, the proof of how wrong you are can easily be found.

MANY modern countries allow gays in their militaries.
Most Western military forces have now removed policies excluding sexual minority members; of the 26 countries that participate militarily in NATO, more than 20 permit open lesbians, gays, or bisexuals to serve; of the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, three (United Kingdom, France, and Russia) do so.
Sexual orientation and military service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The government's own research on the matter shows the ban on gays in the military can effectively be ended without the disaster that some (who probably don't even know any gays ) think will happen.

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And those Black people have smaller brains than us...
...and women are too emotional to hold an administrative office
(Psst...Maggie Thatcher; Indira Gandhi; Hillary Clinton)

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It is hard to accept, but mostly true. Before GRIDS and then AIDS, and before "don't ask don't tell," I admit I never noticed any real problem.

The biggest problem was when there were not enough chicks in the command, and one would make $50,000 on deployment. Real sloppy... Once when I had the day off and was kicking back reading a book in the barracks, which only had plywood dividers with about two feet open above and below, this one girl (Vicky, hair like a sheepdog) came in the morning and after going at it all day with the off duty night shift pulling a train in the afternoon, "choo choo" is what one guy said as he passed me by, and then after shift change did the day shift, and one guy came in after dark and ate her out right next to my bunk one sheet of plywood away and while he was coming up for air he was asking her to marry him, no, Begging her to marry him. I puked, and had to go sleep on a wooden bench. Next deployment...somewhere around here I still have some Greens (I lost weight and my roommate gave me some of his pants) with the name of a married guy (damn cute wife's picture right above the bunk) who brought Vicky into our room, as I was reading another book...springy, springy, springy...she later propositioned me when he left the room... I am not even going get into the known exploits of "The Rabbit," and what his wife was doing when he was on deployment; the look she gave when after a 30 hour flight and me and her husband were approaching her on the tarmac...I dislocated my knee taking a crap after that flight, it just popped out. Adventures with WestPac widows, "Hey dude, you should check out the enlisted club two weeks after deployment." Next week, "do you know where the Captain's daughter is?" {I know, thanks for sharing}

Now you are going to claim Gays are not like that, they are special, they are different, they do not have brain damage, something like that could never happen with Gays and Lesbeans openly serving in the military. Right?

Once in the squadron area of the USS Coral Sea, where they had blue curtains over the bunks, some people noticed two Gays doing it through the crack in the curtains while passing through the compartment and were "quietly" freaking out, "hey, there are these two guys doing it over there...," but I don't even think they got turned in. For the most part when everything is out in the open there is no place for them to do it. The typical bunks stacked three high...you can put your elbow on the bunk and touch the top bunk with your fingers, there is not much room to move; they must have been small guys.

Why is it fair for the black Warrant Officer to bring his Filipino girlfriend on-board hiding her in his cabin and dressing her like a guy, and Gays get to have their partners, and other straight guys have frack books or have to wait until they get into port?

The knowledge of such unfairness might cause resentment on top of existing prejudice.

One day some pictures of a Gay party (a lot of them) were discovered by accident, guy looking for a match, they did not get turned in to be certainly kicked out. In my opinion not knowing you are sharing a room with another gender is probably worse than knowing it right off.

It might be better to do away with "don't ask, don't tell" so when there is a possibility of switching quarters it can be done. Some people have no problem, some do. I will NOT attack those who have a problem with bunking with opposite genders.

Not knowing is probably worse than the SHOCK of finding out that the "Casanova" with all cute chicks is Gay and the babes are Lesbeans, and that is their cover.

To compare homosexuals to Jews or Blacks is a slap in the face to both groups. Blacks and Jews have a history of discrimination based on religion and on race. Homosexuals are such because it is a choice they make. Any exclusion of them is because their sexual proclivity is repulsive to normal people.

I don't know why you are so poorly informed, but homosexuals do NOT make a choice to be gay.

Furthermore, anybody should be able to realize that people CAN AND DO choose their religion...
Right?

So if you're going to exclude a group based on making a choice, obviously religion should be included...

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Yeah.
Keep that thought in mind.
Remember it, cause your next part seems to just pretend that this first part doesn't exist...


I am underwhelmed at your lack of class.
But I do recognize this sort of junk exists in the military.



Again, you have a problem with reading comprehension.

The original poster talked about gays molesting others in the shower.
You are describing consenting sex.

I have no qualms admitting gays have consensual sex.
If you think gays having consensual sex is somehow the problem, then you are really missing the boat.



Who said I think it's okay for those two gays to go at it in the bunk?

Furthermore, if that "Filipino girlfriend" had been a fellow navy member, it would have been an analogous situation.


No sex between "co-workers" on the ship.
Applied equally to both sexual orientations.

The only "unfairness" is in people who don't recognize the real solution...


"another gender"?


You're back to pretending wet is dry and black is white.
Try to stick with the REAL meaning of words, 'mmkay?

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