Book of Isaiah - Page 3

saltwn · #21 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 09:07 PM

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Isa 3:6 Some of you will grab hold of a relative and say, "You still have a coat. Be our leader and rule this pile of ruins."
Isa 3:7 But the answer will be, "I can't do you any good. Don't make me your leader. There's no food or clothing left in my house."

that is, he had good and rich clothing, fit for a ruler or civil magistrate to appear in, which everyone had not, and some scarce any in those troublesome times:

"let my meat be under thee", or "from thee", as the Arabic version. (Gill)

saltwn · #22 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 09:09 PM

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Isa 3:8 Jerusalem and Judah, you rebelled against your glorious LORD-- your words and your actions, made you

they were fallen into such a ruinous condition, that there was no probability of recovering them. And the reason of this their fall and ruin is,

because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord. (Gill)

saltwn · #23 (**permalink**) 06-14-2008, 09:11 PM

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Isa 3:4 He will let children and babies become your rulers.

Not children in respect to age so much as in regard to talent for governing. I will commit the land to the government of weak and imbecile princes. This would naturally occur when the wise and great were removed. -Barnes

mlurp · #24 (**permalink**) 06-15-2008, 05:48 PM

Isa 3.5, And the people shall be oppressed, everyone by another, and everyone by his neighbor; the child shall behave proudly against ancient, and the base against the honorable. KJV.

5 People will oppress each other—
man against man, neighbor against neighbor.
The young will rise up against the old,
the base against the honorable. New International Version.

So saltwn seeing I can't find my other resources I have to use this on line resource guide line. Isaiah 3, 5 - STR - with Study Resources - Study Desk
So one has to read it to understand the meanings being expressed. Just to much to post. They can change from the KJV to anyothere by starting at the main page. SearchGodsWord.org, Bible study resources from HeartLight.org

And the people shall be oppressed (8738), every one by another, and every one by his neighbour: the child shall behave himself proudly (8799) against the ancient, and the base (8737) against the honourable (8737).

mlurp · #25 (**permalink**) 06-15-2008, 05:50 PM

I haven't grasped the full meaning yet. And in no way am trying to mess you devoted work up.

saltwn · #26 (**permalink**) 06-15-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

I haven't grasped the full meaning yet. And in no way am trying to mess you devoted work up.

All posters to this thread including me are giving their own interpretation using whatever resources they have available.
This is a long and very spiritual book of prophesy. Not only does Isiah allude to the messiah, but (some believe) end times.
So whatever your thoughts they fit the format.

saltwn · #27 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 03:49 AM

In Isaiah 6, the prophet sees a vision of the Lord on His throne. He is astounded and shouts out about his unworthiness. A seraph (an angel) touches Isaiah's mouth with a hot coal to cleans it from sin.
Then Isaiah hears the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"

Isaiah replies, "Here am I. Send me!"

This speaks to our need to trust and obey.

Then God tells Isaiah to go and spread the truth to a people who are so corrupt and self absorbed they will not hear it. But go anyway. This people he is to testify to will become even more hardened at hearing the truth, but go anyway, God says. They won't ask for forgiveness, but go anyway.

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Barnes notes this:
(1) That the effect of truth is often to irritate people and make them more wicked.
(2) The truth must, nevertheless, be proclaimed.
This effect is not the fault of the truth; and it is often well that the heart should be known, and the true effect should be seen.

Surprisingly, Isaiah merely asks, "How long?"

Then I asked the LORD, "How long will this last?" The LORD answered: Until their towns are destroyed and their houses are deserted, until their fields are empty,
and I have sent them far away, leaving their land in ruins.
If only a tenth of the people are left, even they will be destroyed. But just as stumps remain after trees have been cut down, some of my chosen ones will be left. Isa 6:11-13 CEV

Scholars believe this refers to the destruction accomplished by the Babylonians.

saltwn · #28 (**permalink**) 07-04-2008, 05:14 AM

The beginning of chapter 7 is a prophecy from God through Isaiah to allay the fears of King Ahaz. The intent is to make Ahaz see he must rely on God.
The prophecy is that these other kings will not add Israel to their borders.

The second half of the chapter contains prophecy of the messiah and the conditions of his birth.

Many scholars believe it would be better to read chapters 7 through 9 as one big chapter in Isaiah's delivery of prophecy.
These passages are without a doubt some of the most scrutinized and debated chapters in the entire bible.

saltwn · #29 (**permalink**) 07-13-2008, 03:36 PM

Background Israel’s first king was Saul from the tribe of Benjamin. The second king was David the son of Jesse from the tribe of Judah. The territories of Benjamin and Judah met at Jerusalem, and David’s throne was there. David was followed by his son Solomon. David and Solomon ruled not only the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, but also the other tribal territories of Israel, although the loyalty of these was somewhat forced. When Solomon’s son Rehoboam took the throne, the ten territories rejected him and made Solomon’s servant Jeroboam their king instead. He reigned in the city of Samaria.
Thus the kingdom was divided. There were now two kingdoms called Israel and Judah. Israel was the name retained by the ten territories, whilst Judah was the name adopted by the territories (Judah and Benjamin) remaining faithful to the throne in Jerusalem. That is not to say that the ten tribes were disloyal to the last man. Some defections to Judah from other tribes are recorded
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Isa 7:1 Ahaz, the son of Jotham and the grandson of Uzziah, was king of Judah when King Rezin of Syria and King Pekah son of Remaliah of Israel went to attack Jerusalem. But they were not able to do what they had planned. CEV version
Isa 7:1 And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it. KJV

Note- What is contained in the first five chapters were delivered in the times of Uzziah;

and the vision in the sixth was in the times of Jotham, in the beginning of his reign;

and what is said here, and in some following chapters, was in the time of Ahaz; so that this is mentioned to fix and carry on the date of the prophecy.

Names:
Achaz: possessor; the name of a king of Judah an Israelite.
a son : (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc.
Jotham: yo-thawm' From Jehovah (is) perfect; Jotham, a good king of Judah.
Judah: yehûdâh yeh-hoo-daw' From celebrated; Jehudah (or Judah), the name of five Israelites; also of the tribe descended from the first, and of its territory: - Judah.
Rezin: retsîyn rets-een' Probably for Retsin, the name of a Syrian king / an Israelite: - Rezin.
Syria: 'ărâm arawm' From the same as the highland; Aram or Syria, and its inhabitants; also the name of a son of Shem, a grandson of Nahor, and of an Israelite: - Aram, Mesopotamia, Syria, Syrians.
Pekah: peqach peh'-kakh From watch; Samarian king

References to the history of this time period: 2Ki_16:1; 2Ch_28:1-6
Proof David and/or other psalmists invisiond Isaiah’s time and events : Psa_83:3-5

Wesley says--Isa 7:1 Ahaz - A most wicked king: yet no prophecies are more comfortable than those which were delivered in his time; God so ordering it for the encouragement of the faithful that lived under his impious reign.

my summary

So this war against Judah was prophesied in the time of King David. It is fixed in time referencing the reign of bad king Achaz. It says the kingdom of Judah will not be torn apart or taken over by the Syrian or Summarian attacks. (The attacks actually started toward the end the reign of Achaz' father.)

Question
In light of the rest of this chapter 7 in the book of Isaiah, why do you think it was important that God protected Judah even though they had a bad king?

saltwn · #30 (**permalink**) 07-17-2008, 01:05 AM

Isaiah 7:10 through13 Ahaz was already striping the holy temple and was in peace negotiations with the tribal kings who wanted to take over his country. He did not trust in God’s ability to protect the people.
Out of respect and love for his people, God offered to give a sign-any sign below or above to seal his promise to the people of Judah keeping them from being absorbed by treacherous kingdoms.
Ahaz pretends to be offended. And God answers by saying you have wearied the people and the prophets with your pretense at piety, will you now weary God himself?

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Whoa. I doubt any sentence written has been more dissected and studied than this seemingly simple line.
Excuse the pun, but the line is pregnant with the whole intent of God’s actions in relation to man.

One meaning of course is that this will be a sign that these two little countries seeking to devour you will become insignificant as dangers to you . The name Immanuel will be a reminder that I, God, made you this promise.

The prophesy of Jesus the Christ’s birth and mission on earth is also contained in the verse. He is not only named 'God with us'. He is God with us. He not only reminds Jews God protected them from disappearing as a people; he is the redeemer who saves us all from a greater catastrophe -justice for our sins.

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