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If abortion is so great, why can't it win on its own merits? Why does it take a supreme court decision to force it on the country and a steady stream of lies and distortions to keep people fooled? If most of America really wants abortion - as its supporters always claim - why doesn't it win at the ballot box?

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If abortion is so great, why can't it win on its own merits? Why does it take a supreme court decision to force it on the country and a steady stream of lies and distortions to keep people fooled? If most of America really wants abortion - as its supporters always claim - why doesn't it win at the ballot box?

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Because we, in America, do not live by mob rule. We respect the rights of the individuals. Abortion isn't the only issue that the Supreme Court had "force on the country". A majority in the south still wanted segregation but that got shot down by the Supreme Court.

As for a steady stream of lies and distortions, you may wish to look at the pro-life camp for that. Doctored photos, false studies linking breast cancer to abortion, on and on and on. Not to mention the violence perpetrated by your extremists who think that blowing up clinics or killing doctors is justifiable.

I mean, if most of America doesn't want abortion - as its detractors always claim - why can't it win at the ballot box?

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As for a steady stream of lies and distortions, you may wish to look at the pro-life camp for that. Doctored photos, false studies linking breast cancer to abortion, on and on and on.
Hmmm... well, here are the different type of abortions, from the Pro-Life camp.

First, there's the suction type abortion. This is where the unborn child is literally vacuumed from the mother's womb during the early stages of pregnancy.

The currette-type abortion is where the child is cut from the mother's womb with a spoon-like object.

A third type is similar to a Caesarean operation. The baby is surgically removed from the mother and allowed to suffocate, because the child's lungs aren't developed.

The fourth type of abortion is the Salt Brine technique. With this method, the unborn child is literally "pickled" to death by the injection of a strong salt solution. A few days after the injection the child is still born.

Oh, and lets not forget about the partial-birth abortion procedure. This is where a child is partially delivered, then stabbed in the skull to have his or her brains sucked out.

Why are these horrendous abortion procedures allowed in America? Oh, that's right; Because we, in America, do not live by mob rule.
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Hmmm... well, here are the different type of abortions, from the Pro-Life camp.

First, there's the suction type abortion. This is where the unborn child is literally vacuumed from the mother's womb during the early stages of pregnancy.
There is no such thing as an unborn child, to start with. This is classic pro-life spin to create an emotional attachment where we would not normally feel one. It is sophistic dishonesty.

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Oh, and lets not forget about the partial-birth abortion procedure. This is where a child is partially delivered, then stabbed in the skull to have his or her brains sucked out.
Very few abortions occur this way and the overwhelming majority of pro-choice advocates are against this procedure.

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They aren't horrendous. They are medical procedures.

You also did nothing to diminish my assertion that the lying and clouding of the abortion issue comes from the pro-life camp most often. I guess that makes sense when you look at how the pro-life argument holds no water and instead makes emotional appeals and logical fallacies the entire argument.
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Because we, in America, do not live by mob rule. We respect the rights of the individuals. Abortion isn't the only issue that the Supreme Court had "force on the country". A majority in the south still wanted segregation but that got shot down by the Supreme Court.

I love how people love to bring our racial issues up in comparison to EVERYTHING!!!! Considering how black people got here in the first place, segregation was a small issue as far as I'm concerned. And what about the American Indians? That the same race clamoring for segregation killed many of the inhabitants of this country. It seems the moral compass of many white people is pointing far south of north.


I mean, if most of America doesn't want abortion - as its detractors always claim - why can't it win at the ballot box?
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I've never voted on abortion. What is the answer?
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I love how people love to bring our racial issues up in comparison to EVERYTHING!!!! Considering how black people got here in the first place, segregation was a small issue as far as I'm concerned. And what about the American Indians? That the same race clamoring for segregation killed many of the inhabitants of this country. It seems the moral compass of many white people is pointing far south of north.
And I love how people completely neglect the point and deflect to some off-base interpretation of what was stated or how it was used in context. Race wasn't the issue at all. The fact that the Supreme Court makes rulings that a majority can disagree with was the issue.

Would you care to make a second attempt at relevancy or are we done for the day?
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And I love how people completely neglect the point and deflect to some off-base interpretation of what was stated or how it was used in context. Race wasn't the issue at all. The fact that the Supreme Court makes rulings that a majority can disagree with was the issue.

Would you care to make a second attempt at relevancy or are we done for the day?
You said that segregation was wanted by a majority of the country but had to be corrected by the Supreme Court just like abortion. I totally understood what you are talking about. But the two subjects are hardly equitable. Comparing what many think is killing a potential baby to segregation disrespects both. I simply question the relevancy of your comparison. Excuse me.

And even if THAT part of my post was irrelevant to you, what about the vote on abortion. That was dead on. 50% ain't bad.
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You said that segregation was wanted by a majority of the country but had to be corrected by the Supreme Court just like abortion. I totally understood what you are talking about. But the two subjects are hardly equitable.
In context, the two are equitable. Both issues were taken to the SCOTUS and were resolved there without a ballot box. Jaaman was implying that his should not happen, but clearly it has before and will continue to happen in the face of unjust rulings. It's how our republic works.

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Comparing what many think is killing a potential baby to segregation disrespects both. I simply question the relevancy of your comparison. Excuse me.
I didn't compare those two issues at all. I compared how they were handled by the Supreme Court.
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Sounds good...it's just that I get tired of people using this countries' racist attitudes toward other races in every comparison. Heck Italian, Irish, Polish etc were considered different races here for a while. It was crazy.
"The Irish, the Blacks and the Struggle with Racism," by Elijah Wald, Globe Correspondent

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