Just making that clear...

Now... let's discuss abortion, and not cat drowning...

Some people believe abortion is murder, some believe it is removing the possiblity of life before it is realized...

People do it for many reasons, ranging from rape and accidents, to not ready yet... yet the outcome is always the same... a potential human life is stopped from being born.

Let's get a discussion going

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I'm part of the "abortion is murder" crowd...

Many feel that the fetus is not considered a lifeform until viability, which IMHO is absurd...

"Tuesday it's not a life form...Wednesday it is."...

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I also oppose abortion and I worked to overturn tax funded abortions in my state.

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You can argue about abortion in general all day long. I don't think there's any question partial birth abortion should be a federal crime not allowed except in the instance that the mother's life is in danger. But I would allow leeway for the attending physician in case the mother's quality of life (car accident or fast growing cancer comes to mind), is in question. Then I would put the decision squarely upon the doctor's shoulders. Maybe there should be a stipulation that he will make every effort to seek the opinions and feelings of all interested family and consider any documents she (mother) may have prepared previously. But he/she (attending doctor) is the only person qualified to make a health/life/death decision in the final analysis.

This ploy of not leaving room for endangering the mother that was included in a bill passed awhile back is bullowney! (bull + bologna) It was just a political move to be able to bring the issue back to the table for some political reasons.
Let's have some real legislation on the matter and (brain fart alert!) why don't we ask doctors to give their thoughts on the matter to congress so they (congress) can make a more informed decision? Doctors on both sides of the isle.

I think this one issue could be a uniting factor in the abortion debate. And it's such a volatile issue, we need some point of compromise from both sides.

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I am against abortions for myself, but I am also pro-choice, and uncomfortable with woman using abortions as a form of birth control. I was raised in a catholic household, and was taught that abortion is wrong, and that belief has stayed with me. However, I also don't think it is justified to force my beliefs onto someone else.

Now when it comes to government funding, and taxpayers money going towards abortions, I am 100% against it. Just as I would not force my anti-abortion belief onto another, I feel it is wrong to have those who are against abortions help pay for them.

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I am prochoice, period. you have one choice, if you use that choice to participate in sex you have used you one choice and now you must deal with the consequences.

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and in the case of rape?

That person had no choice, does she get her choice later then?

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"Medically Necessary Abortions" ?

"Four years after California expanded legal abortion to include those for "physical and mental health," legal abortions skyrocketed from 7,000 per year to 116,749 per year. Over 90% of these abortions were for "mental health."

I can go along with abortions that are "truly" medically necessasary.Saving the life of the mother comes to mind.Such truely medically necessary abortions are relatively rare.Some prefer a much wider interpretation than I do.For example,the mother finds out that her little tryst produced a child that is not of her husbands lineage. Some would say this would be grounds to protect not only her marriage but also her mental health. I disagree and as usual the devil is in the details when we travel down the road to so called,medically necessary abortions.Until more physicians believe that the pre-born child has a right to life that is not superseded by the mother's temporary emotional or economic "inconvenience". I oppose abortion on demand!

In the case of rape,two innocent lives are affected. It is my hope that one day such dilemmas will be more easily solved by taking "the child" early as viability outside the womb becomes more and more plausible at earlier stages of life.

With the advent and use of the "Day After Pill"...fewer abortions will be "reported". I don't support this usage, especially among minors.It could be said that this new method will eventually defuse the abortion debate. Perhaps to some extent,it will do just that.However,it still involves the destruction of human life but some would continue to debate what I believe. It is my belief that human life begins at the moment of conception. They are welcome to oppose me on this belief but they will never change my viewpoint on this truth.


I greatly respect opposing viewpoints on this issue though I do not share them.I've been in numerous abortion debates and they can be very devisive.I have yet to see anyone completely change the minds of their opponents on this issue.At least,if they have changed their mind,they are too proud to admit it or they had a personal experience in life that this "admission" to being wrong would represent accepting the responsibility for a life lost.These things are very difficult to come to terms with.For some,it is much easier to remain in denial.Still,abortion does take it's toll,perhaps not right away but over time, we all contemplate our life's decisions and in that sense,the bell of atonement rings for us all.

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Did the number of actual abortions go up? Or just legal ones? The thing is that I do not believe for a second that making abortion illegal will in any way stop it from happening. Rich people will still find good clean ways of getting it done, and poor people will find other ways... many of which will end up taking the life of not only a fetus, but the woman too.

I do not think that this is a decision that can be made by law. I think that the law has to stay pro-choice. I think that if you are against abortion then you must instill that in the people that you can, such as your own family and friends.

As far as there being life at conception...

I do not feel that a cake is done until it comes out of the oven... until then it is just batter. Do you call flour, eggs, vanilla, sugar, and fruit a cake? Probably not, until it is fully baked.

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But we are talking about "life" not what's for dinner. There is a difference,when the process of human life has begun it should not be interupted.That's just my point of view and I'm well aware that there are other points of view and I can respect that.These debates rarely change anyone's mind,one either respects the sanctity of life or they don't respect it.The liberals continue to eat their young or if you prefer..breed themselves into extinction.Every cloud has a silver lining..

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