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I agree with you in principle, but let's look at this...

How responsible to we expect or college students to be? For most people, college is generally considered to be a wild time where they are allowed to do as they choose. Not saying that it is right, but that it is a cultural norm.
I see them as "individuals" and not as a group. They are old enough to serve in the armed forces,vote and in some states,buy alcohol.Some are very responsible,others are not and we can find this throughout the population regardless of age.

I'm not in opposition to birth control,I oppose subsidising it when many have higher "priorities" than being responsible for the minimal cost it takes out of their budget.The term "needy" has become ambiguous in our society.
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I see them as "individuals" and not as a group. They are old enough to serve in the armed forces,vote and in some states,buy alcohol.Some are very responsible,others are not and we can find this throughout the population regardless of age.

I'm not in opposition to birth control,I oppose subsidising it when many have higher "priorities" than being responsible for the minimal cost it takes out of their budget.The term "needy" has become ambiguous in our society.

I understand and agree with the idealism behind your stance.

But it is about as practical as a side pocket on a boar hog. Policies don't deal with individuals they deal with statistical averages and norms.

I say hand out birth control like Halloween candy if that's what it takes to keep the rate of unwanted babies and abortions down.
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I understand and agree with the idealism behind your stance.

But it is about as practical as a side pocket on a boar hog. Policies don't deal with individuals they deal with statistical averages and norms.

I say hand out birth control like Halloween candy if that's what it takes to keep the rate of unwanted babies and abortions down.
Statistical averages and norms do not always "solve" problems they report on them! This is about "shifting" resposibility to others because someone is too irresponsible to pay $25.00 a month for birth control because it cuts into their gaming or cell phone budget.At what age do we become accountable for our actions? 16..17..18..21..42..64..87? I do not want to see unwanted pregnancies or abortions of convenience. Let people who believe in handing out birth control like Halloween candy fund it themselves! I have no objection to privately funded free birth control programs..
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Statistical averages and norms do not always "solve" problems they report on them! This is about "shifting" resposibility to others because someone is too irresponsible to pay $25.00 a month for birth control because it cuts into their gaming or cell phone budget.At what age do we become accountable for our actions? 16..17..18..21..42..64..87? I do not want to see unwanted pregnancies or abortions of convenience. Let people who believe in handing out birth control like Halloween candy fund it themselves! I have no objection to privately funded free birth control programs..

In the real world that we live in you can fund the birth control or you can feed the babies. I vote for funding the birth control.
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In the real world that we live in you can fund the birth control or you can feed the babies. I vote for funding the birth control.
Yes,this is the real world and I vote for the right to "privately" fund birth control. What a great opportunity to really do some good..
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Yes,this is the real world and I vote for the right to "privately" fund birth control. What a great opportunity to really do some good..
Yet it's not the private sector that will pay for the unplanned for births or the costs of raising these children.

In the same way that we all pay for certain government services (like requiring companies to include nutrition info on packaging) it would affect us all if certain things did not exist.

We all pay the costs of children that are born unwanted.

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Yet it's not the private sector that will pay for the unplanned for births or the costs of raising these children.

In the same way that we all pay for certain government services (like requiring companies to include nutrition info on packaging) it would affect us all if certain things did not exist.

We all pay the costs of children that are born unwanted.
And so the dirge of irresponsibility continues by making us responsible for the lack of responsibility on the part of others? ..

Shame on us..
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And so the dirge of irresponsibility continues by making us responsible for the lack of responsibility on the part of others? ..

Shame on us..

I am curious what you propose doing about the unwanted babies that will result from the lack of birth control.

Do you have a solution?
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I am curious what you propose doing about the unwanted babies that will result from the lack of birth control.

Do you have a solution?
You bet I have a solution,it's called birth control! Get rid of all cell phones,computers,bar tabs and vehicles. One of our family members is getting her entire education paid by her parents. The only caviot,she cannot own a car until she graduates her 4 year program.Again,I do not object to using birth control,I object to students giving it a low priority in their budget!

I simply do not want to hear the "lame" excuse that they cannot afford the $25.00. These "adults" chose what is important in their lives,why should we be burdened with their poor budget choices? The money IS there,they need spend it wisely and get some birth control.

Since birth control is not a priority in their budget because cell phone bills take up to much expendable cash,we should shoulder this cost? You have got to be kidding me..
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If I may offer a thought that is nagging...

Some folks are saying that a young woman going for an abortion is irresponsible and should have used birth control if she didn't want a baby.

It seems to me that it is the same group that is saying, when the price of the BC meds went up, that they should not have sex or just put up with the costs. (I'm not talking specifically about anyone on this board, as a note.)

Does anyone else see this as a problem?
What I'm saying that the government isn't responsible for ANY of this, so they should not bear any burden on subsidizing anything pertaining to the prevention of nor the results of these actions...

A couple of times members liked the idea of putting my mind on a coach and giving me the Freud routine on control and jealousy...

That was patently false because I am NOT AGAINST birth control pills!!!!!!!!!...I am FOR them!!!!!!!!!!

But what I am NOT for is taxpayer money going towards it...It's the burden of those involved in the actions rather than the government, so it should equally be their responsibity to what they think needs to be done...not the government...
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