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I was on the pill for almost a decade. I was only a slut for about 5% of that.
Who paid for it?
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I actually agree with that. I just don't think the girls should be called whores in the discussion.
Not picking on you in particular. But as this statement points to the question. What is your definition of a whore? Really.
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Who paid for it?
I did. But then I never argued on this thread that someone else should buy another persons pills. I just think they could be cheaper, could be sold over the counter, ect. For me, it wasn't the actual pill that was expensive so much as it was the gyn appts and pap smears I had to pay for when I was in college and not insured. Those are the hoops you got to go through to get your prescription renewed. There were however a few times when I was particularly strapped and my very caring gyn dr. was kind enough to give me a few months supply of pills out of his closet. Apparently the drs. get a bunch of free samples from drug reps so women can try out a particular brand. So 2 or 3 times whilst in college this nice dr. would just give me a bunch of his freebie packs.

Thank God for nice people. He could of just called me an absurd whore and told me if I had money to dress myself and listen to music then I should be able to buy b.c.
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Not picking on you in particular. But as this statement points to the question. What is your definition of a whore? Really.
Unless you're talking about an actual prostitute I think the term "whore" says more about the user than the person at which it's directed. Generally I take whore or slut to mean that someone thinks I'm having too much sex and unfortunately they're not getting any. It's a way for them to judge someone, usually someone they don't hardly know at all, and feel better about their bitter depressing life.

Honest to God that's how I see it.
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Idealogically Promiscuous;15884]Why are we working under the assumption that she is promiscuous? She could very well be in a committed, stable, long-term relationship. She could very well not be in a relationship at all AND be on the pill for that "just in case" scenario while not really having sex at all with any frequency. I am not okay with this assumption that a student on the pill is automatically a slut or promiscuous.
I already stated some of them may just be good girls who made a mistake, but as there is no real way to tell the rotten apples from these unfortunates, the rule would have to apply across the board. That rule being this: If I may have my say in the matter, don't give money to cover college girl's birth control pills or pregnancies or other ills preventable by the girls.


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Good news for you and me: The government does not subsidize abortion procedures. I would be foaming at the mouth if they did.
I thank God for that.


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Sanctioned...for fulfilling a biological directive? Sanctioned because they had sex or because they had sex and got pregnant? Sanctioned because she is a woman and "should have known better" than to take part in all the reindeer games that boys go to college expecting? This is getting to be too much.
A biological directive? Sounds like the Borg of Star Trek fame. We cannot just always do what we want. Sometimes we are hungry but we can't steal someone's lunch. We wait till the bus stops and we get home and eat in our own kitchen.
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So I guess when a woman in the work force gets pregnant we should set an example that a secretary or a cop or a lawyer's first priority is their job? Get real.
It depends on the job. If she is a secretary for a religious organization, I'd have no problem with her being fired.
As for a cop. That is moot because she won't be on anything but desk duty even if the pregnancy is within marriage. If she is a lawyer who argues in court, her credibility may be undermined on certain cases. Other cases it may not matter.
What you do sexually does affect the way people see you. Sometimes they see it all wrong. You are a victim of circumstances. But why add to your vulnerability and open yourself up to criticism?
Life is hard enough if you try to live it honorably. Spreading your butt around a college campus will do nothing to add to your credibility and will certainly put off a bunch of folks who might have become dynamic links to your progress not only as a human being, but as a career person!
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Spreading your butt around a college campus will do nothing to add to your credibility and will certainly put off a bunch of folks who might have become dynamic links to your progress not only as a human being, but as a career person!
I didn't find that true at alll, just saying.
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I already stated some of them may just be good girls who made a mistake, but as there is no real way to tell the rotten apples from these unfortunates, the rule would have to apply across the board. That rule being this: If I may have my say in the matter, don't give money to cover college girl's birth control pills or pregnancies or other ills preventable by the girls.
But yet, you keep leveling the promiscuity charge, even if it is as an afterthought.

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A biological directive? Sounds like the Borg of Star Trek fame. We cannot just always do what we want. Sometimes we are hungry but we can't steal someone's lunch. We wait till the bus stops and we get home and eat in our own kitchen.
What does that have to do with you wanting sanctions against young women who exercise their freedom?

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It depends on the job. If she is a secretary for a religious organization, I'd have no problem with her being fired.
As for a cop. That is moot because she won't be on anything but desk duty even if the pregnancy is within marriage. If she is a lawyer who argues in court, her credibility may be undermined on certain cases. Other cases it may not matter.
I wanna see "sanctions" pass Constitutional muster. That's all I'm saying.

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What you do sexually does affect the way people see you. Sometimes they see it all wrong. You are a victim of circumstances. But why add to your vulnerability and open yourself up to criticism?
And I think that "perception" only comes from patriarchal, misogynistic view points ingrained in us by society. I am taking issue with the idea that a man can do exactly what he wants and get a pat on the back for it but a woman gets saddled with a scarlet A if she does the same. It's wrong.

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Life is hard enough if you try to live it honorably. Spreading your butt around a college campus will do nothing to add to your credibility and will certainly put off a bunch of folks who might have become dynamic links to your progress not only as a human being, but as a career person!
But only if you are a woman. If you are guy and you spread your dick around campus, it gives you something to bond over in the locker room.
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But yet, you keep leveling the promiscuity charge, even if it is as an afterthought.



We're right there together.



What does that have to do with you wanting sanctions against young women who exercise their freedom?
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose...sorry, LOL.


I wanna see "sanctions" pass Constitutional muster. That's all I'm saying.



And I think that "perception" only comes from patriarchal, misogynistic view points ingrained in us by society. And I think the perception comes from average people.I am taking issue with the idea that a man can do exactly what he wants and get a pat on the back for it but a woman gets saddled with a scarlet A if she does the same. It's wrong.
And it will always be that way. There is a double standard when it comes to pre-marital sex. Get over it. It ain't gonna change.


But only if you are a woman. If you are guy and you spread your dick around campus, it gives you something to bond over in the locker room.
So who wants to be another notch in his gun/ Certainly not someone with any self esteem.
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Unless you're talking about an actual prostitute I think the term "whore" says more about the user than the person at which it's directed. Generally I take whore or slut to mean that someone thinks I'm having too much sex and unfortunately they're not getting any. It's a way for them to judge someone, usually someone they don't hardly know at all, and feel better about their bitter depressing life.

Honest to God that's how I see it.
whore
a promiscuous or immoral woman
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If you think everyone who has called people whores is jealous, you're mistaken. No one wants to be identified as something bad. Maybe on television sitcomms or among teenagers that might be the case.
I don't mind admiring beautiful women. I love beautiful things. It never bothered me to see another person do well or be happy.
I have met some women who were so ugly or thought they were, that they would go to bed with anyone. They hung out in bars frequented by illegal aliens hoping to get some horney homesick Mexican to take them home.

They were whores. They might have not been murderers, but they were whores.
There are people who are addicted to sex. Their addiction makes them into whores like whiskey addiction makes someone into what another person will label a drunk.
There are girls who go to college and drop their drawers for any d___ that stands at attention. People-average people, good, bad, holy or hypocrite will call them whores. They're not calling them murderers. They're calling a spade a spade.
That's not to say these girls' fates are written in stone. They can go through a crazy period of their lives and then get saved and not say shite if they have a mouthful. (I have a theory a lot of former bra-burners did that! LOL)Or become respectable citizens in a proffession or have a great relationship and kids. They can forgive themselves their indescrections and move on.
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They are legally adults, but we, with our insistence on abstinence only education, have failed to give them the success skills needed to make adult decisions.
I was scanning this thread waiting for SOMEONE to say that, dabateman. Thank you.

People are going to have sex. It's what people do.
Trying to "educate" them not to is about as effective as trying to educate obese people not to eat, rather than to eat healthier.

We've all seen the failure of abstinence-only education.
Everywhere it has gone, higher teen pregnancy rates follow.

If in a few years my daughter comes to me and asks about birth control, or indicates she is thinking about becoming sexually active, or tells me she IS sexually active, I will not lecture and beat my Bible.

We will have a serious mother/daughter talk about responsibility, and one possible outcome of that talk will be my giving her permission to go on the pill.

In doing so, will I be giving her permission to be a slut? No. She is going to have sex whether she is on the pill or not, just like people do.

Instead, I will be acknowledging through my permission that she is a human being, and I will be helping her in becoming an educated, responsible one.

Because that's what parents are supposed to do, isn't it?
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