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Old 05-22-2018, 09:12 AM
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Default Re: Gina Haspel confirmed as CIA director, first woman to lead agency

....U.S. Army Field Manual 34-52 Chapter 1 says:
"Experience indicates that the use of force is not necessary to gain the cooperation of sources for interrogation. Therefore, the use of force is a poor technique, as it yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear."

A declassified FBI e-mail dated May 10, 2004, regarding interrogation at Guantanamo states "[we] explained to [the Department of Defense], FBI has been successful for many years obtaining confessions via non-confrontational interviewing techniques."

The C.I.A.’s 1963 interrogation manual stated:
Intense pain is quite likely to produce false confessions, concocted as a means of escaping from distress. A time-consuming delay results, while investigation is conducted and the admissions are proven untrue. During this respite the interrogatee can pull himself together. He may even use the time to think up new, more complex ‘admissions’ that take still longer to disprove.

Former CIA Agent siad,
"Many governments that have routinely tortured to obtain information have abandoned the practice when they discovered that other approaches actually worked better for extracting information. Israel prohibited torturing Palestinian terrorist suspects in 1999. Even the German Gestapo stopped torturing French resistance captives when it determined that treating prisoners well actually produced more and better intelligence."

the sad thing to me is that the simply moral argument doesn't phase people.
'Good people', even people that are Christians blow off the idea of "doing the right thing simply becasue it's right." And seem upset at being ask to.
Seems it's not that odd that the inquisition and it's tortures (and Counter movements that used torture) lasted for hundreds of years.
Just tell people they are in some danger. Doesn't even have to be realistically eminent, or a serious threat. Terrorist have no Army, no Navies, no planes. There's more chance of being struck by lighting than being killed by a terrorist. But somehow torture is A-OK, or compelling, up to even torturing your own mother if the "the boss" says so.

God help us all.
Hope is the dream of the waking man.

For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.
Job 14:6-8
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