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Old 02-12-2018, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: A win for free conscience and expresion

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Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post
There is absolutely nothing in the law which would require such service.
People need to read what the law says instead of knee-jerking their thoughts on what they think would happen.
If the owner would refuse to dry clean a KKK costume regardless of who brought it in, that's within the law.



There is absolutely nothing in the law which would require such service.
People need to read what the law says instead of knee-jerking their thoughts on what they think would happen.
If the owner would refuse to make anti-gay protest signs regardless of who requested it, that's within the law.



There is absolutely nothing in the law which would require such service.
People need to read what the law says instead of knee-jerking their thoughts on what they think would happen.
If the owner would refuse to make an Adolph Hitler Birthday cake regardless of who requested it, that's within the law.

That's why I kept going back to whether or not the baker would have provided the exact same request for other people.
If the answer is YES, then the lawsuit is bound to come out against the baker...


There is a very limited list of characteristics under which public business discrimination is not allows.
Examples include race, gender, religion, and in some areas sexual orientation.
Other items are also included, but it's a very small list.

The above scenarios you list would not be on that list.


And one thing that I routinely see ignored by most people is that if this excuse is allowed for this, it would be a radical shift in how the laws have been applied.
"Sexual orientation" is just one characteristic that was added to the law books with the same legal template that other groups have had for over half a century.

If somebody can say "religious exemption" for sexual orientation, then they can do the same for any other situation.
Don't want to serve somebody who is black? Say "religious exemption" and it's suddenly legal to do so...
And if somebody wants to start pretending that it's wrong to put such groups as "religious", that's because you're applying your standards to their religious beliefs.

And make no doubts about it. They do put forth religious justification...
KKK Leader Disputes Hate Group Label: ‘We’re A Christian Organization’
Actually, if the dry cleaners would clean any costume, then he could be prosecuted under your interpretation of the law.
If the owner of the sign shop would make any protest signs, he could be prosecuted.
If the owner refuses to make an Adolph Hitler birthday cake but makes other birthday cakes, and that's within the law, then the same owner should be able to refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding. Even if he would make one for a straight wedding.
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