But they did buy it and so did a majority in congress! Are you saying that you knew from the onset that Saddam had no WMD's? If so,why didn't you contact your rep with evidence to prove it? You know you bought that lemon car and so did I and I'm willing to admit it. Yup,it was based on shoddy intel and speculation but unlike YOU..most of us were not aware of it.

Nope but removing Saddam may prove to be the BEST option. Face it,he continually violated his word and was calling our bluff.Was containment working? not very well and he had denied some of the inspections and you did not find that troubling? After all..supposedly he had nothing to hide!

Oh come on dam it,you can do better than that. You compare Saddam to a parolee violating his agreement? Unbelievable!!!!!!!!! That's the attitude that some of us find troubling. We tried several "measured" responses and Saddam refused to mend his ways and got what he deserved.

And you make Saddam's repeated violations sound trivial.Do you believe that 100% of the information was "manufactured"? Even the CIA at first believed the information but you knew better all along and you expect people to believe THAT? Yes the BA oversold the war and that's deplorable but there is no denying that Saddam was not living up to his agreements and what are agreements worth if they are not enforced? Don't you see,Saddam could handle measured responses and he was not counting on another invasion..SURPRISE..SURPRISE ...finally someone had the balls to call his bluff albeit it was based on a delusion and wrapped up in a deception.


You're right..some Americans have not learned their lesson but fear not, I'm sure we are due for a few more lessons at the hands of the terrorists,this aint over by a long shot!..

Now here we can agree,I would never have supported an "invasion" as a first option with what I now know to be true.That does not mean that Saddam would get a free pass! I would recommend ever increasing pressure for him to comply.I also agree that Saddam's actions were not trivial..in fact that's the point I'm trying to make! The so called measured responses were "trivial",he needed to be brought to his knees.We invaded his empire once remember and it was Saddam who kept thumbing his nose at us and refusing to comply on several occasions.Would have Saddam eventually complied 100% ? I doubt it and apparently the powers that be thought an invasion was the only way to get him to "fully" comply! I guess Saddam just ran out of chances and the BA and "congress" ran out of patience.

Right you are..in fact,some would not declare war under any circumstances.
It's such a tragedy that we did not have that insight when we were lobbying the UN to enforce their own resolutions.. that at the time, were based on facts!..

Yes but unlike you and your vast skills of perception,many of us originally believed that Saddam was in possession of WMD's. Only a very few people..like yourself,knew better from day one! The rest of us,at least the honest one's..are forced to admit that we were wrong about the WMD's. America breaks it's treaties and should be held accountable just like everyone else.If we are late for the trial,let them start without us.You see,we have the power to enforce treaties,that may not be a pretty picture but it's the truth! Too bad Saddam [failed to understand that piece of trivia,he would have ended his bluffing and he would be alive today if his own people did not kill him first.

You don't say..perhaps that's it after all.America the bully,is that what you are saying? Might may not make right but the consequences of stepping on Superman's cape may have consequences and our foes would be wise to never but us to a foolish test.I say the best defense is a good offense and it shows..

Yup,Saddam let inspectors do their inspections at a time and place that he selected.Why who could ask for more? I could..I would not ask but demand unfettered access 24 hours a day. We let the slug have his country back and he continued to enjoy playing the game. We called his bluff,shame on us..

No need to apologize but he did invade as you yourself put it..a sovereign nation. He was indeed a threat to the region and therefore a threat to the U.S. His compliance was sporadic,he was having too much fun but now the game is over.He is gone but not forgotten,at least "some" of us have not forgotten!

I salute you and the very "few" who "knew" from the onset that Saddam had no WMD's Had I known it and I admit that I did not know for sure he did not have them,I would never have supported the invasion. That said..when all is said and done,I guess we will have to accept Saddam's head as a consolation prize. If you took the time to read my posts on the war you would see that I fully supported our operation in Afghanistan and that I was "less" supportive of the invasion in Iraq. I simply don't believe in nation building or the gift of democracy to a people that neither asked for it or can little appreciate it's many benefits for decades to come. The corruption in Iraq is appalling and yes..we are squandering blood and treasure in one of the riskiest investments of all time.However..I cannot hide my delight at the passing of Saddam and his regime.

Yes,I would have voted for the war before I voted against it just like most of the honest people in this forum...Bad intel in - bad decisions out. Ever notice how most Americans now have 20-20 vision?

So we are THERE and the sooner the Iraqi forces can defend their own nation the better.Undoubtedly we were deceived,at least to some extent but we cannot leave hastily and make matters even worse than they already are.

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