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Old 07-09-2008, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: Hey BTW there's a war going on

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins View Post
The big picture here is not just American involvement,it's radical Islam and rouge dictators who support the tactics of terrorism.So you really think that the "only" reason we invaded Iraq was to control the flow of oil? Then would it not have been easier for Bush to embrace Saddam and halt all inspections in favor of cheap oil like we already do with the Saudis.

You can take your chances and isolate yourself from the enemy of freedom or engage the enemy.If we took the isolationist route North Korea would have had nukes by now and most likely they would have used them or threatened to use them to gain influence in the region.
Sure,we could take our chances and withdraw from the ME if we are willing to turn a blind eye to nuclear proliferation in the region.Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt would put those petrol dollars to work and Europe would then turn to the isolationists for help. What then,do we decide to involve ourselves only after the fact and find our isolationist mentality involved in a global nuclear exchange?

The cancer of terrorism must be delt with in the early stages if we expect to save democracy and our way of life. Yes,there are risks with pre-emptive warfare but there are also risks with letting others shape our destiny.Unfortunately there is more at stake here than oil,that's only a small component of the WoT. We no longer have the security of oceans to protect our way of life and a nuclear or biological attack can occur without the luxury of several months advance warning. I may not agree with the way this war was sold to us and I have little doubt that less than honest tactics were deployed to sell the war. However..I have no doubt as to the concern that many have when it comes to radical dictators in a nuclear age.

It's the same old story,while some do too little to address the concerns of radical Islam,others may take a far more agressive approach in defending and ensuring the survival of freedom and democracy.I believe that some day down the road there will be a nuclear or biological exchange,in fact..I believe it is inevitable. Perhaps we are just buying a little time for our way of life.The thought of 6th century theocracy's in possession of WMD's is not comforting.Isolationism is not without appeal nor is it without risk.Some of us see that risk while others do not,still others prefer to take their chances and view terrorism as a minor threat.I don't agree with the latter viewpoint. We called Saddam's bluff,he wanted us to think he had WMD's,he lost his head in the process but I have little doubt that he would in time have aquired them while some of us were content to wait and see what developed. Fine but you have to be willing to take some amount of risk with the future.Containment "may" have worked but we shall never know because some of us were unwilling to take that risk.Oh I forgot,you aint buying that BS,you still think it was all about the oil and that Saddam's regime was but a simple stone in our shoe.

Well I guess the onus is on we who support engaging the terrorists to prove what we shall never know for sure and considering what was at stake,the future of the free world, we shall accept the blame because our way of life is worth it.I once thought removing Saddam from power would not require an invasion,I no longer believe that pipe dream yet you cling to your dementia.
Saddam really had you fooled..shame on him and yes...shame on YOU because he fooled some of you twice.He violated his own agreements and yet,you continued to give him a free pass. So you want us to believe that you knew all along he had no WMD's ... BULLSHIT...you lie just like your buddy Saddam.Only "after" no WMD's were found did you beat your chest with false pride... Had WMD's been found,you would have said.."I knew that bastard had em".. and you would have backed the war no? See..I can see through your BS as well..

As to the cost of this war,it's very difficult to place a price on our freedom and way of life.I do know this..we can pay now or pay with our lives at a later date.Some say we should talk to the dictators and terrorists,I agree and we have talked to them and while we were talking they were perusing their own agenda. I cant help reciting a great man with vision who could truly see through all the BS.

"All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"..Edmund Burke

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I can never get why what I am saying is construed to be isolationist. I have said repeatedly that I have always supported the Afghan invasion. And I would have supported forcing Pakistan's hand while we had worldwide support. We lost a great opportunity to solve a festering problem. We divided our own military to take on a situation that could have been better handled later. BTW the threat of war was forcing the U.N. to make offers of tougher sanctions if you recall. So we could have done a lot with diplomacy to hold Iraq in check. But we have learned that the case was being managed by the white house. I would have been more then willing to take out Saddam also. But timing is everything.

So I'm not Saddams buddy

And I am not isolationist

"All that is needed for confusion to prevail is for good men to keep putting words in mens mouths they didn't say" Me

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