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Originally Posted by faithful_servant
All that blathering and you never answered the key question:
Why did the left suddenly get so fixated on the dollar cost of freeing people from oppression?
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I did answer the question.
It's a false assumption to put the word "suddenly" in there.
I see history behind your deception that the left's interests in other countries doesn't involve some pragmatism on the $$$.
There is no "suddenly". It's always been that way.
Now, you can keep repeating the same question which has been answered, or you can address what I ACTUALLY said.
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Originally Posted by faithful_servant
You diverted attention from this question and tried to turn the discussion a different direction to avoid it. How about dealing with it??
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I'm sorry.
Are you the boss of this conversation? Are we only supposed to talk about what YOU want to talk about?
Can't take it when people talk about the WHOLE picture instead of playing in your fantasy land of false dilemma questions and strawman arguments?
Tough noogies.
The thing you can't seem to comprehend is that the MAJORITY of the country is in the same bucket as me.
Trying to lie about what our position HAS supposedly been is just plain foolish.
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Originally Posted by faithful_servant
How about taking an honest look at exactly what it is you are saying? What I hear from the left is that our cheap gas is more important than the lives of millions of people.
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Reality check.
Right now, the death toll in Iraq is HIGHER than it was in the years preceding our entry, and we STILL have expensive gas.
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Originally Posted by faithful_servant
That our big screen TVs take precedence over the oppression and torture of millions of Iraqis.
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If you keep talking this b.s., there is no point in continuing this conversation.
You're just making up stupid junk at this stage.
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Originally Posted by faithful_servant
The left is great when it come to carrying signs and walking in circles, but ya'll stink up the place when it comes to actaully taking action to accomplish what your signs are asking for. When did freedom from oppression stop being so important to the left that they were unwilling to sacrifice for it?
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No matter how many ways you try to dress up the same ol' LIE, it's still a lie.
And furthermore, it isn't an issue of not willing to sacrifice.
The amount of sacrifice is TOO MUCH.
You dodged my entire response with the assessment of "blather", only to repeat the same nonsense I had just talked about.
Why do you think Bush pushed the exaggerated and inaccurate version of "WMDs" instead of simply saying "We're going to liberate Iraq."?
Cause he KNEW it wouldn't work.
Why do you think Rumsfield blocked post-Iraq-invasion analyses to see exactly what would be needed AFTER the invasion had succeeded?
Cause he KNEW Americans would balk if they knew the truth.
You may be willing to pay a couple trillion to "liberate" a group of people at the expense of higher Iraqi casualties, and over 4,000 U.S. soldiers, but the rest of us are viewing the situation with more pragmatism now that we know the truth...
It has ALWAYS been this way and deep down the people like Bush's crew KNEW that to be the truth.
Otherwise, they would have TOLD the truth from the start, TOLD us that we were JUST going to "liberate" and that it would be VERY costly, and then (
in your imagination) we would have said "yes".
Except in the real world, the real world that has ALWAYS been this way, GW and his crew KNEW they needed to lie and exaggerate. They KNEW they couldn't tell us everything, otherwise we wouldn't go for it.
It has ALWAYS been this way, including the point BEFORE the war.