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Originally Posted by Stinger
He has said repeatedly he will sit down and talk with our enemies, that we should talk with our enemies, that it is a sign of strength when you sit down and talk with your enemies. That we should pull out of Iraq and talk, well who are you going to talk to when you talk with our enemies?
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Keep it in context...
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Obama: America 'has to talk to its enemies'
As the Democratic CNN/Univision debate kicked off Thursday night, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) faced off over Cuba, with Obama reiterating his position that America "has to talk with its enemies," with Clinton holding to an earlier position that no president should meet with Cuba's new leader unless conditions are met.
The Raw Story | Obama: America 'has to talk to its enemies'
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Amazing how you explicitly quote the fact that they were talking about CUBA, yet you turn around and try to insinuate vague "enemies".
He has explicitly said he will not talk to terrorists.
And you ignore that by repeatedly quoting him talking about "enemies".
Your attempts to take this out of context are underwhelming...
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Originally Posted by Stinger
Yes they were and Saddam wanted to further his ties with them and was meeting with them as the study releaased earlier this year once again confirmed.
Saddam's Dangerous Friends
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The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.
Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)
There is no evidence of formal links between Iraqi ex-leader Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda leaders prior to the 2003 war, a US Senate report says.
The finding is contained in a 2005 CIA report released by the Senate's Intelligence Committee on Friday.
US President George W Bush has said that the presence of late al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq before the war was evidence of a link.
Opposition Democrats are accusing the White House of deliberate deception.
They say the revelation undermines the basis on which the US went to war in Iraq.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Saddam 'had no link to al-Qaeda'
Iraq and Al Qaeda are not obvious allies. In fact, they are natural enemies. A central tenet of Al Qaeda's jihadist ideology is that secular Muslim rulers and their regimes have oppressed the believers and plunged Islam into a historic crisis. Hence, a paramount goal of Islamist revolutionaries for almost half a century has been the destruction of the regimes of such leaders as Presidents Gamal Abdel Nasser, Anwar el-Sadat and Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, President Hafez al-Assad of Syria, the military government in Algeria and even the Saudi royal family.
To contemporary jihadists, Saddam Hussein is another in a line of dangerous secularists, an enemy of the faith who refuses to rule by Shariah and has habitually murdered Sunni and Shiite religious leaders in Iraq who might oppose his regime. During the Persian Gulf war, Omar Abdel Rahman, the radical sheik now imprisoned in the United States, summed up the Islamist view when he was asked what the punishment should be for those who supported the United States in the conflict. He answered, ''Both [those] who are against and the ones who are with Iraq should be killed.''
Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda Are Not Allies - New York Times
Repeating this tired lie that Saddam had links to al Qaeda is absurd!
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Originally Posted by Stinger
But the more salient point is that al Qaeda has been decimated because they made Iraq the larger front in the war........and we defeated them.
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al Qaeda was dealt a MAJOR blow in Afghanistan.
Then, we opened up the door for them in Iraq. Our actions gave them a RECRUITING DRIVE that INCREASED the terrorist threat.
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Originally Posted by Stinger
I am commenting DIRECTLY on what you stated, it took NO courage on Obama's part. The man who could not even stand up to the racial hatred in his own church has never shown an courage of any kind.
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I am amused at how you claim "directly commenting", while you change the subject to include "Wright".
Anybody else fooled by this bait and dodge technique?
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The Raw Story | Obama warns he would attack Al-Qaeda in Pakistan
"Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama warned Wednesday that if elected president he would be prepared to order military strikes against Al-Qaeda in Pakistan, even if Islamabad objects."
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Originally Posted by Stinger
Pakistan hasn't threatend us, they are a soverign state and he is proposing a preemptive strike against them.
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And another dodge.
You were just talking about no courage, and Obama has explicitly stated that he is prepared to order military strikes AGAINST AL QAEDA in Pakistan.
And typical of your obfuscational ploy, you ignore the AL QAEDA aspect, and pretend he is just wildly talking about bombing Pakistan WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE REASON.
So, to put this in perspective.
Attack "al Qaeda" in Iraq, when they weren't even there before...
And if "al Qaeda" shows up in Pakistan, they are a "sovreign state".
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Originally Posted by garysher
I told you I am an independent, for you to say otherwise knowing the fact is now a lie.
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Re-read what I said.
You are lying about what you claim I "said".
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Originally Posted by Stinger
How doese voting for candidates other than Republicans make one a Republican?
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Obfuscational response.
I stated, quite clearly, that if somebody votes ONLY Republican and then proclaiming "independent", that claim of "independent" is false.
I never said anything about "voting for candidates other than republicans makes one a republican".
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Originally Posted by garysher
Give me your proof that I have always voted for only Republicans. You are making a statement of fact about me so back it up.
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I never claimed you "have always voted for only Republicans".
It is my personal belief that you aren't even eligible to vote in this country in the first place.
I said "
IF ..."
Do you know what "if" means?