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Originally Posted by chuck7251
I do not call it circular reasoning... I think it is called unbiased thinking. You know, looking at the facts presented instead of taking cues from someone else. 
As ar as Jesus bringing that new covenant... that is your belief. The Jews of today DO NOT BELIEVE that Jesus brought anything... he was a nice man and a pretty good carpenter, it's too bad what they did to him.
As far as your assertion of who killed the "son of god"... well, again, they did nothing they were not preordained to do.
Interesting, your Ben Franklin reference. Of course I would not believe you were Ben Franklin... there is no proof. Much as to why I do not believe the bible is divinely inspired, or even true for that matter... there is no proof. If I were to believe in God, it would be because he gave me the ability to think, and not just to blindly follow. I have problems believing anything that comes from a book that is the greatest tool used to justify hatred, prejudice, and murder our world has EVER known.
In refernceing the "True Jew"... are you only including Israelis? Personally, I would think anyone who actually practices the Jewish faith would be a true Jew. 85% of our country say they are Christian... of those, how many do you think are real Christians? |
It seems strange that you do not consider it circular reasoning when, it was you that first questioned the validity of the scriptures as to their divine inspiration, and then try to use them make your point, and then when confronted with what they "actually" say, again you declare that "I" have suggested the Old Testament was not inspired. And this IS NOT circular? And then again you declare that the Jews should have a right to worship how they wish and that they were preordained to KILL the Son of God. But, it is the scriptures that declare that man is made in the image of God due to their free will actions in determining right from wrong (Genesis 3:22), "And the Lord God said, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now least he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever." My head is still spinning from your "NON-CIRCULAR REASONING". And as far as what YOU or I think does not doctrine make....our doctrine comes from what is revealed from God as stated in the word of God, "The secret things belong to the Lord our God; but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we many do all the WORDS of this law." (Deut. 29:29). And are we not instructed to take our doctrine from the revealed Word and not from the OPINIONS of men? "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF , for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness: That the man of God may be PERFECT, THROUGHLY furnished unto all goods works." ( 2 Tim 3:16-17)
So which is it? Are the scriptures divinely inspired or not? Or are they only inspired when you perhaps think, you have a point to prove, and when confronted with the actual truth of what they declare, you believe they are not so divinely inspired? I CALL THIS CIRCULAR LOGIC, springing from the opportunity that rests only in the gray matter between your ears....NO? Again the "sanctified" truth of God's word, declares there is only one true path to the righteousness of God, and that path leads through the teachings of Jesus. So, am I concerned what other people wish to declare, that is not from the revealed truth of God? No, not really, for their beliefs do not offer the salvation found in the TRUTH. There are some 2/3 of the world's population that worship some other form of religion, but this does not invalidate the truth of Christianity, just as someone's opinion does not offer anything contrary to the truth found in the revealed word of God. BD