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Old 02-26-2008, 05:17 PM
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Default Re: Artist Kills Herself After Aborting Twins

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins View Post
Who said anything about "forcing" the women to carry to term ? What they "could" have done is stop the procedure long enough to require at least "minimal" counseling before they would agree to proceed!
Apparently their standard procedure was to refer her to the phone counseling, as the Telegraph article stated. They didn't say whether it was done in-house or if she was just given the number to call on her own.

This is an area where I am a bit ambivalent. I think that counseling should be required, but I also see that a certain amount of personal responsibility has to come into play here. I will openly agree that her history of anxiety and depression compromised her ability to properly care for herself though.

Her doctor wanted her to get counseling after the fact. She would not.

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How do you know this to be factual? She "may" have changed her mind after as little as two counseling sessions! Because little effort was made to council a women who "clearly" needed it,three lives have been lost..
I have known and worked with a lot of people that have issues with depression and anxiety. I am, by no means, an expert but that is my educated guess. With the depression, negativity becomes the main way that people interpret things. I don't know this to be a fact, but based on how I have seen people react, I think that I have a good idea.

The purpose of such counseling (this is my opinion mind you) is to determine whether or not this woman wants to go through with the procedure and is competent to make such a decision. It is not to determine if she can handle it. By putting that requirement in, then it creates the 'no one cares how I feel about this' problem if the counselor thinks that she can't.


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Bottom line here..there WAS time to "require" some counseling to determin the patients state of mind.
There are no medical procedures that I know of that require a minimum of two counseling sessions. This woman should have been in counseling for the problems that she was presenting but was not. Unfortunately a lot of doctors are simply prescribing meds when a psychiatrist/psychologist should have been called in. Clearly this is a problem un the UK just like here.
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